I decided to repost here my original correspondence with TrueHellDei here. I kind of saved it as a memento of her. I kept it private for a long time but now I kind of feel it has to be shared with broader internet.
Maybe it can inspire people for some good relationships.
Some notes how to read logs.
Who Posted:
Thor – Me, Thor on AC, ThorLL on MAL also known as JJ Master and owner of this blog
TrueHellDei – Her - Emily (Truchel may be)
theOrator –
rival dude
SlippingSanity –
rival dude
Where Posted:
T – ‘Do you
believe in God?’ Thread on Casual Discussions Forum of
AnimeCrazy.net website
VM – Profile to
Profile conversation, visible on profile.
PM – Private
Message, should be private unless someone hacked the account.
Date and time
stamps are self-explanatory, US date format.
TrueHellDei T
01-01-2011, 05:15 AM
Quoting certain
anime character: 'Heaven ? That has no hold over me.'
I would also tell
that all the 'christians' doing good only to be revarded and go to
Heaven are hypocrites.
I also agree with
CElegant - it's hard to believe. Especially seeing what's really
going on in the world. It makes You think that if 'God' really
exists, he's only good for nothing and has a sick sense of humor...
However, I'm really
not sure if I believe or not.
Thor T
01-01-2011, 05:37 AM
believe, because I
exist and I can offer you a place in Valhalla after death.
TrueHellDei T
01-01-2011, 01:40 PM
@ Ora-kun and
Chopsticksticky, the short word 'only' I've used in this sentence
makes the big difference...so I think You've got me a bit wrong in
this statement...
I do not expect
'God' to clean up all human's mess, humans have something called
'free will'...so they shouldn't blame God for the 'shit' they've
caused.
Also, I don't see
anything wrong in revarding people for good deeds, I've said that
doing good ONLY to be revarded sounds a bit 'stinky'...It's like when
people wouldn't believe they'll go to Heaven for doing good, they'll
stop doing 'good' things at all...or something like that...;P
TrueHellDei T
01-03-2011, 08:49 AM
Originally Posted by Thor
My concept of god it that he is a fictional character in Quran, Bible
and other books.
But the question was and is: how is that universe can't be just by
itself and something as your concept of god can? Also if your god is
omnipowerful then he can come on forum and post here as normal human
therefore I'm god. Just because you can't comprehend universe without
god doesn't mean he exists and it can't be a proof as well.
I think it's a bit
sensless...Not because I'm disagreing with Your opinion but because
trying to find the proofs of a mistical existence is pointless. At
least typical scientific ones or any decipherable by our(humans)
minds.
Also, I'd say that
Your concept of 'God' as a fictional character in Quran, Bible and
other books is something containing the very essence of it( except
for the word 'fictional' which was meant to express Your disbelief
here, I guess.) I'd change this word for 'existence which can't be
proven'. And I think that not everything which can't be proven is
fictional ;P. There can be something which can't be proven
now(because of not enough knowledge, equipment etc) and also
something which can't be proven becuase it's completely fictional.
Well, that's only my hypothetical way of thinking ;P.
Also, every
religion involves some mistical elements. May it be 'God' or any
creature with 'powers'. It's existence can't be proven(in any
scientific or logic way). And that's not the point there. It's
something You can 'trust yourself with ', 'love', 'put all the hopes
on', have the 'feeling of belonging there', have the 'feeling you're
being protected by it'. These all are very strong emotions. They can
change one's way of thinking. So religion is something You embrace
more with Your 'heart' than with Your 'mind'. That's its phenomenon.
Well, You can also
call that 'brainwashing'. And probably, quoting one of my fave anime
characters - ' People will worship sardine heads if You give them a
reason'. But where 'brainwashing' ends and 'true belief' begins? It
depends on how You look at it, what's Your point of view. We humans
have a 'free will' so as well freedom of choice.
Anyway, I was just
analising this. Your concept got me interested in having that kind of
dialouge with You ^_~. I wasn't talking about my own personal
religious matters here.
Thor T
01-03-2011, 01:57 PM
TrueHellDei
Well debate here
goes from factual perspective: religious people trying to prove that
what they believe is fact and only possible truth while me and other
Atheists proving them wrong; that is why it is so heated and
maximalistic.
Sure not everything
is proven even in science, but in science there is clarity in
information status: some things are facts, some are hypothesis and so
on. And in religion everything is considered to as truth.
Idea of accepting
religion with 'heart' rather than 'mind' is actually rather nice
because it is more of personal choice rather than claims of absolute
truth; not sure whether I can say that I respect their believes but I
respect their approach and attitude about believes and therefore in
most cases do not criticize them.
While established
religions as organizations in most cases are hypocritical tools to
control masses and/or equally hypocritical job for cleric, for some
individuals religion as set of believes can be helpful and supportive
in their way of life; though some others are just brainwashed by
clerics or other believers, so religions as whole are rather a
double-edged sword for society. Generally non-organized religions are
better than organized ones because they lack organization part and
generally do not suppose to have brainwashing; completely independent
personal believes are even better.
I find you analysis
interesting and would be glad to continue our conversation.
TrueHellDei T
01-04-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm glad I got You
interested^^ but, You know I was a bit suprised - I thought You'd
call everything I've said about embracing religion with a 'heart'
nothing more than a brainwashing sentimental crap ;P and You said
it's 'rather nice idea' instead xD (altough I'm sensing a bit of
sarcasm here) ^_~
If it's a debate
between Religious People trying to prove that what they believe is
one possible truth and Atheists proving them wrong, then I guess I'll
be the third - purely analising side.
So, I wouldn't say
that everything in religion is considered to as 'truth'. Well, of
course most of religions have their dogmata - some unquestionable,
established beliefs. Something which can't be doubted, the very
fundamental element. In most cases, You can refer to this term as
being equal to the 'absolute truth' in the eyes of 'believers'.
That's the only theoretically unshaken thing.
All the matters
centered on the 'believer' himself may not to be taken for granted.
For example , 'Mr. Momotarou' says he believes in 'God' = his(God)
existence may not be entirely 'proven' to him, however he finds it an
unquestionable and ultimate truth = dogma. And later 'Mr. Momotarou'
says that he also believes in going to Heaven after his death = he's
convinced it's possible, but he can't say he's gonna go there for
sure. It's more of a 'hope' or even a 'wishful thinking' than
something he can be entirely sure of.
Also, I can agree
that established religions as organizations can be a hypocritical
tools to control the masses, but actually every organization has this
potential...That is a pattern as old as the world itself. May it
using religious beliefs, violence, human's compassion etc.
But still, even if
religious dogmata or doctrine are an 'absolute truth' for the
'followers' and 'believers', I think they can't entirely 'prove' that
they are the only ones right and all the rest is mistaken... It's
more the matter of a personal choice for everyone else.
I don't consider
forcing one's opinion on another a good resolution. I wish for human
beings to have more tolerance ;P No hate for those with different
beliefs ? ---> Yeah, I might have just seen Utopia...;P
Thor T 01-04-2011, 06:35 PM
TrueHellDei
Well way I talk is
commonly depends on person I'm talking: people like Nado, Synergy,
Orator or Omega, who came to this thread to enlighten people with
absolute truth of their religions and to look down on those who can't
understand their truthfulness get harsh hit of facts and sound
arguments from me and people like you who do not claim absolute truth
and instead talk about why and how people embrace religion can expect
some contribution and exchange of ideas. Well it is not sarcasm, may
be snobism through; as I said about personal believers:
Quote: not sure
whether I can say that I respect their believes but I respect their
approach and attitude about believes
Debate is always
about what people make it; so far it was heated and factual, now
since you are here and they not it is different, if they will return
and you will stay there will be two parallel debates of different
kind.
For personal
believers it depends on every single person how much his/her believes
are true and important and how much of established religion he/she
embraces, but for fanatical ones of for religions with really strong,
rigid rules believes are absolute truth.
Well if you look on
Christian concept of Heaven, then while going there is not guarantied
idea of existence of heaven is canonically (according to books,
tradition, clerics etc.) a fact; but again any single person can
think really anything.
Corruption can be
in any organization but lesser the organization's accountability,
greater its corruption and religions generally don't have much
transparency and have too much popular trust.
Fanatical followers
can't prove it to you and me or to followers of competitive
religions, but they have long proven everything for themselves; that
what makes them fanatical after all.
Well competition of
ideas is something that makes world move forward: better ideas
replacing worse and outdated ones and commonly make their creators
rich and/or famous and allow human civilization as whole to reach new
heights of development and stories about innovators encourage more
people to innovate and challenge; challenge is part of human nature
generally. And while it is sad to see you believes and ideas defeated
or observe ugly heated debate it kind of way of life.
TrueHellDei T
01-05-2011, 04:37 AM
I think I may be
dragging You out of this thread’s main topic ;P xD Just to clarify
my intentions - I dont want to be dead serious about this, all I’m
aiming for is an interesting exchange of ideas, points of view or
hypothesis. Some people can get quickly too
agitated/offended/emotional while talking about religion. I’m not
suprised that they may be taking it very personally. Well, I don’t
find it wrong. I respect that. It can be a sign of a strong 'love'
and attachment for what they believe, but it can also make them a bit
close-minded, when it comes to that topic ;P
Well, I have my own
personal beliefs as well. I wont be talking of these here, because
I’m interested in how and why other people think differently about
it. So, since I have an opportunity, I shall take it and continue ^_~
First - snobism,
huh ? xD I like that kind of honesty of Yours. Second - ' any single
person can think really anything ' - I’d say it’s a yes and no.
Yes because of a doctrination, and no, because people can interpret
one exact same thing in a different ways. May it be, for example,
sentences from Bible or Quran. Even if the 'right' way of
interpretation is forced on them, it can’t stop them from drawing
their own conclusions. So there is some room for their own thoughts.
I mean that almost everything in this world is what people make it,
so, even such matter as religion - is what believers and followers
make it. You can’t say that, for example - every Christian is a
fanatic blindly following rigid rules and beliefs. It’s more varied
group of people.
I don’t wanna
talk about fanatics, they are nothing more but extremists. However‚
saying that‚ the fact they have long proven everything for
themselves makes them fanatical is a rather interesting point of
view. I’d say that it only makes them a total believers, assured of
the rightness of their own beliefs. It surely is something which can
led to fanaticism. But, adding overreacting in the matter of their
religion, uncritical enthusiasm, mad zeal to that, is what makes them
fanatics in my eyes.
Competition of
ideas is something that makes world move forward - I agree with that
in 100%. But don’t even get me started about 'human nature', I have
a very 'bad' opinion about that one ;P
theOrator T
01-05-2011, 07:23 AM
@Thor - wow, I guess
I have given you the wrong impression in this thread. I'm actually
concerned about it, to be honest. But none of my posts have been a
means of looking down on people. I would say that I've actually been
pretty accepting of everyone's opinions here. I also wouldn't say
I've been hipping people to the "absolute truth" of my
religion, but rather to give them an insider's p.o.v. the scriptures
and it's meanings. After all, if people like Synergy, Omega, myself,
and Nado don't give a different perspective to people who critique
our religion, then how is anyone supposed to possibly understand the
reason(s) of why we choose to believe?
I'm sure you didn't
mean any offense by it, but I wanted just wanted to take this
opportunity to clarify that, as I don't want to be misjudged.
TrueHellDei T
01-05-2011, 07:45 AM
Dear Ora-kun ^^, You
didn't have to say me that !!! All the words that You referring to
were Thor's words, representing his own point of view. I dunno why r
You telling me this, since I haven't said a single word about it !!!
O.o Also, I'm the last person to judge others, especially in the
matter such as religion >.< Besides I clarified everything
about what I meant in my first post on this thread. So, once again -
I was quoting Thor's words in my own post, how come You didn't notice
that ???!!! ;P
TrueHellDei VM
01-05-2011 08:19 AM
yo^^ thank You for
the invitation
Thor VM
01-05-2011 09:36 AM
you are welcome
theOrator T
01-05-2011, 08:39 AM
Sorry, guys, I'm
sick today and have been doped up on medicine and juice all day, so
I'm a little out of sorts. I made the correction though, and I
sincerely apologize Dei-chan.
TrueHellDei T
01-05-2011, 08:49 AM
Yeah, right
'juice'...I'd like to know how many parts per thousand it contained
;P
Anyway, apologies
not accepted - prepare to have Your ass kicked !!! ;P xD
Or...maybe not, I
don't have a hobby of beating up sick people... ;P
Thor T
01-05-2011, 10:55 AM
TrueHellDei
It is fine for us
to talk about anything, who are judges anyway?
Well I would say
most people really think that they are right and people who don't
understand and agree with them are stupid so snobism would be common
feeling felling for at least most of them, just many wouldn't admit
it.
Some people might
even reject some parts or even most of common doctrine, while at eh
same time there is not really a room for certain fanatics because
even if doctrine allows various interpretations some groups would
force same interpretation on everyone especially sects and small
dedicated groups within common religions. Overall I think extremes
here are more distant from each other than you said.
Well I said that
all fanatics have proven everything to themselves not vice versa.
Well some really devoted people can be calm but if they have proven
really everything to themselves, not just some things and consider
some other likely to be true, then they wouldn't be critical about it
all and then enthusiasm is all that needs to make them fanatics in
peoples eyes.
Bad opinion about
human nature, sounds interesting.
theOrator T
01-05-2011, 11:43 AM
There was nothing in
the juice, except good ol' calcium and vitamin c. Please accept my
apology, Dei-chan, onegai shimasu?
TrueHellDei T
01-05-2011, 11:52 AM
*sigh* it's already
accepted ;P ^_~
theOrator T
01-05-2011, 12:09 PM
YAY! I'm out of the
dog house! ^_^
TrueHellDei VM
01-05-2011 12:25 PM
^^ Are You sure You
wanna get me started on so-called 'human nature' from my point of
view ? ;P
Anyway, I'm off to
bed for today so good night^^ I'll be responding to Your last post
tommorow.
Thor VM
01-05-2011 08:50 PM
Well why not, in
worst case we will end up in some heated argument but I think it
would go fine.
TrueHellDei T
01-06-2011, 09:50 AM
' Who are judges
anyway ? ' - this sentence is an epic win xD
So, You really got
me started on so-called 'human nature'...*sigh* here I go then...
People like to
think they’re right in almost everything. After some time they
really starting to believe in this. And I’d say that ' I’m the
one right and the rest is stupid ’ is most people’s common
thought. Humans used to add a lot of self-rightness to almost
everything they do. They’re convinced they’re the most important
beings in world. That they have the right to 'rule' it. I think we’re
doing what we do only because we can, because we have the abilities,
and opportunity. That’s all. Seriously, I can’t point any other
creature who would be more ignorant. Humans are the most ignorant
ones. 'Advancing' thanks to the best ability of lying among all
living creatures. My own, personal definition of humanity is - "large
amount of wasted potential"... Well, I'm not trying to say I'm a
saint. I'm definetly not. I'm a human too. I counted myself in the
group I’m talking about. Now, to clarify all this - I don’t
despise my own kind, I just don’t want to 'glorify' it. And yes -
I’m aware that we humans are also full of good traits too ;P Which
can give some hopes for the future ^_~ Anyway, I was just speaking
about my own point of view, it not contains any 'facts' or 'absolute
truth', that’s just my present toughts.
Now, back to the
topic - ' even if doctrine allows various interpretations some groups
would force same interpretation on everyone especially sects and
small dedicated groups within common religions ' - I was only telling
that the possibility of a different interpretation exists, same as
the possibility of existence of sects and cults forcing their own
interpretation on others.
And extremes sure
can be more distant here, I was only stating from what point I’ll
consider something being an extreme.
Also, I know what
You said about fanatics, I understood that ;P (at least that’s what
I think xD ) I was only trying to say that it itself can’t be
considered fanaticism im my eyes, but sure can be its fundament and
can led to it.
Thor T
01-06-2011, 12:27 PM
Many of what you
wrote about humans is true, but the biggest problem is who you
compare with: most if not all animals do not think beyond simple
instincts such as survivability and reproduction, rule and destroy at
maximum of their abilities and have no any considerations about their
potential and their impact on world or whatever. Also lie works only
on other humans so it cannot help against non-humans, it is ability
to use and create tools (technology) that allowed humanity to
advance. I think either your ideas need some reorganization or you
need to tell me more details.
About fanatics:
well in a sense explosives are not explosion but only a foundation
for it. I think we actually reached common grounds on our religious
discussion because I understand your points and there is nothing I
would like to add, clarify or counterargument.
TrueHellDei T
01-06-2011, 01:31 PM
About advance - yup,
I'd say the same, that's why I wrote 'advance'. I meant something a
bit different by it. More like personal gains (for example - material
ones).And I'd actually call this lying ability a 'tool'
(non-technological one) which humans can use to 'advance' in life
faster (reach higher material status etc). And I wasn't comparing -
humans do have the best lying ability among all living creatures.
Which is a consequence of having best developed brain.
Thor T
01-06-2011, 05:16 PM
TrueHellDei
Indeed lie can help
people to advance in society, but not to advance compare to other
life forms; animals can lie but because their societies are not that
big and complex they can't make too much of it.
But what about
comparing humans to other creatures: do you agree that they are not
really better than humans or you would like to talk some more about
it.
TrueHellDei T
01-07-2011, 10:37 AM
Comparing humans to
other creatures, I can only say that there are domains in which
humans are more complex and well-developed than the rest. I mean that
we can compare only the abilities we share. For example, the ability
of making or/and using tools, ability of procreation, ability of
communication, ability of seeing or even ability of lying, mentioned
earlier. There's actually no way for us to say, that if cats would
evolve the way we did and would have a brains that we have, they
wouldn't made a better and waaay more complex society compared to
ours. That's what I think ^_~
SlippingSanity T
01-07-2011, 10:46 AM
lol in some ways
maybe animals have it right anyway. they can lead their simple lives
without having to fret over things like religion and politics, they
are free and wild in their own way. in my opinion that is just as
good as us.
fyi to everyone in
this thread, be careful what you use as fact on this thread. just
because the internet says so, doesnt make it true *cough cough*
Wikipedia. its not a reliable source, so dont use it as concrete
evidence
TrueHellDei T
01-07-2011, 11:09 AM
^^ xD sometimes I'd
like to be a cat ^_~
Also *cough
cough*wikipedia*cough cough cough* - I never consider it a reliable
source of knowledge and I tend to frown when I see links sending
people there...;P
But I guess that
some people r using it here cuz it's the fastest way to give one's
general idea about something and make them search for more info on
their own...
SlippingSanity T
01-07-2011, 11:20 AM
a cat would be nice,
lazy all day sounds nice. id want to be a giant whale, swimming
through the ocean it just sounds nice, and i wouldnt have to worry
about being eaten, because im so big (exceot whalers) lol.
yea it makes me mad
when ppl use wiki for arguments, especially in such a serious thread.
Why do people so
desperately need a god. Why cant they just accept life as it is? just
live it out and enjoy yourselves, dont spend your time worrying about
what happens when you die. thats why i accept the fact that when i
die i will end up 6 feet under, it doesnt frighten me anymore. i know
i will cease to exist, so i will enjoy the time i have on this
planet, the way i want too. sure not all of it may be considered the
right way to live but who cares? i watch my anime, play my
videogames, hang out with my friends, learn things in college and
work. im happy with my life.
i think people use
god as a security blanket. they feel insecure so they need to know
that someone is looking over them. kind of like a child with their
parent. thats personally why i think most people worship god. its a
scary though knowing that we are on our own. but we just need to find
the strength to stand on our own and live. i think if everyone did
that, the world would be a better place.
lol sounding like a
hippy
TrueHellDei T
01-07-2011, 11:36 AM
^^Nice vission, but
You can always met some humans who'd want to hunt You down...
As for -why people
so desperately need God? - my...answering that would take me back to
express my bad opinion about 'human nature' again...and this time I
should use more details...;P You want me to answer that ?
SlippingSanity T
01-07-2011, 11:57 AM
id be interested in
hearing your opinion
TrueHellDei T
01-07-2011, 02:08 PM
You pretty much
answered it Yourself. If You're asking me, I'd say that they also
need 'God' for making an excuses to what they do. Especially a
forgiving one. So that they can think that there's a chance even for
their worst wrongdoings to be forgiven. And also they need 'God' to
have someone to blame for all the misery in the world. They also like
to think that there's someone who'll help them in life, and will do
it for free. They like to think that there is someone who's guarding
them, cares for them, loves them and he's doing it no matter who they
are, also for free. They like to think that they will be revarded for
doing 'good' so they need someone who'll revard them. They like to
think there's something more than just this 'shitty' life they have
here. They also like to add some 'higher meaning' to the things they
do. It's easier to accept that the things are happening to You
because of some powerful crature's will, and not simly because You
suck etc...
Of course, there
are also people, who don't think that way, that 'love' God
uncondicionally. That think 'God' is 'love' itself. They truly
believe and put on all hopes in him. And they just want to share this
'love' with everyone else.
SlippingSanity T
01-07-2011, 02:31 PM
omg we have
identical beliefs, thats scary.
i hate when people
who love god try to push it on others, i wanna smack them if they are
persistent.
TrueHellDei T
01-07-2011, 02:49 PM
xD that's funny
cause I wasn't talking about my beliefs in that post ;P
It was just me
making examples of what people whould need 'God' for ---> kinda
hypothetical way of thinking ^_~
It mostly involved
my point of view on a so-called human nature
Thor T
01-07-2011, 02:52 PM
TrueHellDei
Humans are indeed
more complex but it doesn't make them worse.
Well if other
creatures would evolve then they might have better society but there
is equal possibility for them to have worse society, also better and
worse in many cases depend on your opinion.
And talk as much as
you want and have to say, your ideas are surely worth reading and
thinking about even through I often criticize something in them.
SlippingSanity
Quote: hey can lead their simple lives without having to fret over
things like religion and politics, they are free and wild in their
own way. in my opinion that is just as good as us.
Homeless people also
have simple life: looking for food and other stuff in rubbish. Most
animals live in constant hunger and look for food most of their time,
struggle for power and females with others is also common for most of
them
Wikipedia is more
credible that some small sources without much reputation because
contribution from many people with opposing points of view make
articles balanced and there are moderators to prevent vandalism.
SlippingSanity T
01-07-2011, 03:06 PM
lol thats what i
meant...................... i think, i hope?
and thor, its all
about the simplicity, not the hunger.
Thor T
01-07-2011, 03:27 PM
About god and
religion:
Generally god and
religion give meaning of life to people who can't find it on their
own, give explanation to what they can't understand and all that
allow them to relinquish all responsibility for their life and
actions and blindly follow their doctrines like sheep follows stick
of shepherd. Of course not everyone falls that deep, some select just
few aspects
Another type is
people who grown up in so strongly religious background who, while
can't relinquish their religions in its entirety, try tome make sense
of their life, get their own understanding of reality and direct
their life instead of following; I met one of them on this forum.
Quote: This is false, and merely the fact that you say it proves your
arrogance. God urges us to excel in Science, Philosophy, and all
walks of life, and He even states to question him and his message.
well I questioned it
and found plenty of people (including you) trying to prove me its
absolute truthfulness, what I said is how reality works.
Just couldn't
resist.
Quote: lol thats what i meant...................... i think, i hope?
Paraphrased: 'That
is what I really meant not what I said in previous post, I hope you
will buy it and will have sex with me.'
Come on, obvious
tailoring of ideas is obvious.
Quote: and thor, its all about the simplicity, not the hunger.
make your life more
simple - become a homeless
SlippingSanity T
01-07-2011, 03:42 PM
raises hand....
question?
how does one have
sex with a computer, there are no holes big enough
cmon being mean
online is just mean
i meant it as a
joke
not necessarily
homeless, dont be so extreme. i just like the idea of not being
troubled by such complicated issues
TrueHellDei VM
01-07-2011 04:08 PM
They cut off my
electricity !!!! T.T !!! TWICE !!! In last 20 minutes ! I was writing
a response to Your post and I almost finished it up and then they did
it...I was pissed as hell but I started once again, and it ended the
same way...Now I'm too pissed to start it over one more time, and
it's almost time for me to go to work, so I'll be responsing to You
some time later...
Thor VM
01-07-2011 05:10 PM
unfortunate, poor
you; I understand and will wait.
Thor T
01-07-2011, 05:16 PM
Quote: cmon being mean online is just mean
being mean is mean
sure it is
Quote: i meant it as a joke
and I meant to be
mean troll for fun
Quote: not necessarily homeless, dont be so extreme. i just like the
idea of not being troubled by such complicated issues
that is why you
spend so much time in topics about complicated issues
hmm, question:
continue to be mean or not continue?
SlippingSanity T
01-07-2011, 05:32 PM
your meanness will
get you nowhere
kindness is better
and its more
because im sitting here bored so i respond to every topic
Thor T
01-07-2011, 05:55 PM
Unfortunately you no
longer write lines that could have non-trivial mean response so
question no longer relevant.
SlippingSanity T
01-07-2011, 05:57 PM
^anyone else
confused by that?
TrueHellDei T
01-08-2011, 11:05 AM
Originally Posted by Thor
TrueHellDei
Humans are indeed more complex but it doesn't make them worse.
Well if other creatures would evolve then they might have better
society but there is equal possibility for them to have worse
society, also better and worse in many cases depend on your opinion.
And talk as much as you want and have to say, your ideas are surely
worth reading and thinking about even through I often criticize
something in them.
Of course it doesn't
make them worse. I didn't say that. I was only saying that it didn't
make them better as well. I'd say, more complex - yes, better
developed - yes, but not overall better. I meant that, if You want to
say that something is better, you need to compare that with something
else. Of course it depends on what You compare it with. For example -
there are chocolate and strawbery sundaes. You can't say that
chocolate sundae is better if You haven't tried a strawberry one. You
can't say ' I haven't tried strawberry sundae but the chocolate one
is better'. Well You can compare it with other sweets or other
dishes, but comparing sundae to pizza wouldn’t make a much sense,
since they don’t have much in common. You can compare some
atributes like consitency, look, ingredients, nutritional value. But
You can’t actualy compare the taste of pizza to the taste of
sundae, because it’s on completely different level. Comparing it to
chocolate ice is more like it but still, ice is an ice and sundae is
a sundae. So, the same I think about comparing humans to other living
creatures. You can compare abilities we share, and nothing more,
bacause we humans are on a completely different level than the rest.
So, my point is
that, all I can say about humans, comparing them to other living
beings is that humans are way more complex, better developed, that
they are the highest leveled living beings on this planet. And I
still wouldn’t call that 'better'.
Well, that’s just
my twisted point of view. I’m well aware that, for example - many
people would say that humans are better because they have best
developed brains, but I would just say that they only have best
developed brains.
Aaaaah I’m not
sure if I’m making any sense here...and I just really wanna eat
sundae now...;P
As for the "if
other creatures would evolve the way we did" - sure, the
possibility for them to have worse society is equal. And 'better'
‚'worse' depends on one’s personal opinion. And I was just
talking about my own opinion. Other people may think something
completey different about it. Writing 'better' back then I meant -
more complex, more developed than ours, with higher-leveled science
and technology, with less wars in their history, less crimes, less
killing etc...
Now - " talk
as much as you want and have to say, your ideas are surely worth
reading and thinking about even through I often criticize something
in them. " - that’s one good flattery You know ;P ~^^~
Besides, what kind
of dialogue we’d have if You would agree with everything I’m
saying and vice versa. And some decent, constructive critique is
something that I like ^^ even if I’m the one being criticized
Thor T
01-08-2011, 03:12 PM
Well sure humans are
more different from other animals that other animals between
themselves so I understand why you find comparison between humans and
animals unevenly inaccurate. Human qualities you listed are accurate
and even though I personally consider brain capacity important and
generally consider human lifestyle the best, I agree that it is
subjective and your opinion is as valuable as mine.
I imagine you look
happy while eating sundae and it makes me smile.
Sure that your
opinion about possible better animal society is valid and even
realistic even though probability of it very low.
'Flattery' is a
strong word: Do you accuse me of being pretentious or you like
complements and enjoy my opinion about you?
Surely our exchange
of ideas is interesting, but because number of misunderstandings
between us is decreasing with each new reply from either of us,
future of our conversation concerns me.
TrueHellDei T
01-08-2011, 03:48 PM
^^ "Wise woman
listen to the compliments, the stupid one believe in them" -
this is what I think in this matter ^_~
But sure - I
enjoyed Your opinion about me ~^^~
Well, we can always
find something new to talk about ^_~
SlippingSanity T
01-08-2011, 05:27 PM
im so confused on
who was flattering who. there was no flattery going on is there?
thor has succeeded
in confusing the hell out of me lol
but that is a good
quote
not as good as this
one though
Women might be able
to fake orgasms, but men can fake whole relationships.
ahahahaha
kk back to the god
topic now before i get in trouble for straying off
theOrator T
01-08-2011, 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by SlippingSanity
Women might be able to fake orgasms, but men can fake whole
relationships.
ahahahaha
I rofl'd so hard,
that is epic.
Thor T
01-08-2011, 06:57 PM
TrueHellDei
And when I thought
that I can approximate limits of your intellect you managed to
pleasantly surprise me with such wise and delicate answer, I am more
than interested to experience more of your courtesy and sharp mind.
And I don't blame
you for not trusting me: it is ok to be cautious, I am often cautions
myself.
Something new to
talk about: lets talk about you because you interest me greatly. You
obviously intellectual, you often observe actions and events without
engaging in them, you cautious may be because of your bad past
experience or more likely because you analyze and learn from
observation and others, you often prefer to be on the middle grounds
to taking sides, you are not very optimistic but not hopelessly
depressive either, may be you prefer semi formal academia style
outfits but most likely casual cloth due to their utility, you
probably have good sense of style and therefore should be able to
look neater that others in casual and elegant instead of trendy or
flashy on occasions and glance of intelligence in your eyes attract
attention of rare few people, capable of noticing it. I guess I will
stop on this for now.
Because you may
find all that barbaric activity in this thread disturbing I would
suggest to continue our conversation as VMs or PMs
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Thor; 01-08-2011 at 07:18 PM..
SlippingSanity T
01-08-2011, 07:03 PM
^ made soda come out
of my nose
god that was
painful
TrueHellDei T
01-09-2011, 08:11 AM
Well...now I can't
hide that this is...unexpected...
I'm firmly suprised
by what You wrote, to the point that I'm not even sure what words
should I use to respond...
Anyway - thank You
- I was pleased reading all that ;P
And I can agree
that this is completely out of this topic xD
So I'll try to
answer via VMs or PMs
Originally Posted by SlippingSanity
Women might be able to fake orgasms, but men can fake whole
relationships.
Ahahahaha
LOL Your quote
indeed is better xD
How about :
Women are able to
fake orgasms because men can't fake who they're trying to please ;P
theOrator T
01-10-2011, 02:21 AM
LMAO nice comeback
Dei-chan!
SlippingSanity T
01-10-2011, 09:31 AM
lol that one was
good
heres one for the
mans side
A man's face is his
autobiography. A woman's face is her work of fiction.
so if one believes
in god but doesnt worship him, isnt that kind of umm stupid?
you believe in the
ultimate being, one who controls your life, yet you dont show him any
respect?
btw im atheist im
just confused by this point of view
TrueHellDei T
01-10-2011, 10:03 AM
xD I'm always on the
man's side !
I came up with the
earlier sentence after reading Your previous 'quote'. And I couldn't
stop myself from posting it ;P I just wanted to join this little game
of 'quotes' xD
As for this one,
are You really trying to convince me that men are paying this much
attention to the woman's FACE.......xD ;P so here I go:
Since woman's face
is her work of fiction, men always look at what's below to find the
'ultimate truth'.
;P
SlippingSanity T
01-10-2011, 10:37 AM
lol thats
stereotyping
But men can always
find the lies in a woman's ultimate truth
TrueHellDei T
01-10-2011, 10:56 AM
seriously, I was
just joking arround ;P
as I said earlier -
I'm always on the men's side ^_~
besides, if there's
nothing interesting in woman's head/face, then there's nothing else
to look at but her...*cough* 'other atributes' xD
okay, I guess i'll
cut the spamming here ;P
TrueHellDei PM
01-09-2011, 03:08 PM
Well, responding to
all You’ve written in the last post, I need to tell one thing
first. I don’t consider talking about me to be an interesting topic
;P I’d prefer talking about You instead. You seem to be a bit
mysterious to me. And I can’t tell if You’re just being reserved
when talking on the net, and how much of it represents Your
personality. The way You express Your thoughts is different than the
way any other people I’ve met here do. Even if talking about casual
things. That was what caught my attention first. Along with Your
smart, decent reasoning in disscusions^^. Reading all the posts in
'Do you believe in God' thread, got me thinking that there’s only
'black' and 'white' in this debate, so I tought I may be able to add
some 'gray'. I responded to Your post, and I sure had fun talking to
You. Frankly speaking I still have. Especially since You appeared to
be suprising and interesting person ^^ And I liked how
straight-forward You was, no matter what and with who You were
talking. I also need to admit that reading Your last post, I was
amazed greatly. You saying that You’re interested in me sure was
unexpected but I was more amazed by what You said next. I mean, if
people want to know more about me, they’re usualy asking about
things like - my name, where do I live, where I come from, favourite
music, fovourite food, favourite movie etc, but You went one step
further. You were trying to find out what’s hiding behind my words.
What kind of person stands behind them.
And based on what
You wrote about me, I can tell that You are quite the observer ;P
It’s quite awkward
for me to talking about myself, however I’ll try...
It’s true that I
observe events and actions without engaging in them. Same goes for
observing other people as well. I like to analize. May it be other
people’s behaviour or anything else. If it interests me, I’ll be
wondering about it, till I find the answer that will satisfy me. I
have a bad habbit of teasing people to test their reactions. I was
often told that I’d make a good police detective or interrogation
specialist ;P xD I use to be cool-headed, cautious and pretty
pesimistic, sarcastic and cynical evil woman ;P but I also have a
distance to myself and the rest of the world. I’m able to laugh at
myself, and I quite often do this ^_~ I had some bad past experiences
which may have influence on me, but I am who I am more due to my own
choices and decissions. Indeed, I often prefer to be on the middle
grounds to taking sides. That’s because this way I’m able to get
more informations from the other sides. I’m trying to be an
open-minded person. I don’t like schematic way of thinking,
schematic way of acting. I don’t like predictable people, and I
don’t like when everything goes in the most predictable way...
As for my sense of
style, I guess I can’t judge it myself, but I like to believe it’s
a quite good one ^_~ The things I really like to wear are - high
heels, pencil skirt, various kinds of tunics, button up shirts -
classic white and light blue ones but in many different colors as
well (i love even the man’s ones-I like wearing them at home ^_~
they are too big but it makes them soo comfortable to wear LOL I may
be a man’s shirt freak >.<) I like decent classic clothes as
a black jacket or a simple dress but I also love jeans and t-shirts.
My favourite colour is dark indigo(that of an eggplant/aubergine) so
I have lots of clothes in that colour.
And what attract
attention of people is my looks. And I don’t like that because
people judge me using that. They’re assuming that I’m a 'sweet 17
darling' and they’re mistaking both - my age and my personality.
And they’re always so shocked by either what comes out of my mouth
and how old I really am. My personality completely don’t match my
looks. I can say it’s quite bad personality...So if there really is
a glance of intelligence in my eyes, I’d like to meet more people
capable of noticing it...
Thor PM
01-10-2011, 05:49 PM
I am actually
pleasantly surprised that you got so open and wrote so much, I
thought that you would either make few comments of would infinitely
tease me with puzzles and general information in order to avoid
telling me anything significant; and I like that you got so open
because it makes our conversation warmer and somewhat more trustful.
Even though my conjectures about you mostly depend on things I can
observe, I would say they are generally about things I find important
in person, trough there is more of what is important to me and also
some of them just represent my curiosity.
I am pleased that
you find me interesting as for your concern about how my words
represent my personality and generally about me: I am quite reserved
in some aspects and have complex and multi layered and sided both
understanding of reality and personality. The following text is
rather long, covers your questions only approximately and may be
confusing but your questions about me is not easy to answer even
though you might wanted to question my words only as hypocrite/honest
ones.
Generally I am
interested in nature and functioning of different things in the world
and try to develop my own picture of reality; I rely on scientific
facts to make this picture as realistic as possible but there is not
only science in there. Therefore in debates I like both to listen to
other people's interesting ideas and to stand by my position be it
fact, conjecture or opinion; heat of debate and my respect to the
opponent mostly depends on what and how these three are questioned or
rejected by my opponent and somewhat less by quality of his/her
arguments. You for example do not question facts, can understand my
criticism and questions to aspects of your conjectures and opinions
and clarify your positions in a way that demonstrates your
understanding of it and world generally as the opposite to ability of
repeating things without real understanding; you also were and still
continue to be polite and that all won you my respect and polite
treatment, also that encouraged me to comment on your good qualities
which resulted in complements.
Now lets continue
about you. Firstly you said you are evil but I don't think you are: I
think it is right to be critical and cautious to shield yourself
against unpleasant side of the world with cynicism and be tough when
situation requires, but it doesn't seems like you do evil because you
enjoy make innocent people suffer so your are not so evil after all.
I think truly evil people often speak of rightness and try to impose
it on others while themselves being vile hypocrites.
About your
interrogation capabilities and tests: Should I not trust you either
and consider your words as a trial to me?
About
predictability: well I would agree that when something unpredictable
happens generally it is interesting but if it affects you directly
would you still like it? After all unpredictable events can be good
or bad with equal probability.
About intelligence:
Well, very few people are capable of noticing it and many do not even
believe in intelligence without practical application and ask 'If
you're so smart, how come you're not rich?' question in variation.
About your looks:
But I wouldn't say that girl in high heels, pencil skirt and formal
shirt looks so innocently immature, may be it is because of your
hairstyle (is it same or similar to as on your avatar?), or these
people just use standard approach to all girls or believe that all
woman are same, or you just generally look young in any cloth.
And in the end some
conjectures: you obviously prefer looks over comfort even though
value the latter, you seem having very routine life, you live in
intellectual solitude i.e. you don't have anyone smart enough to talk
to, you are pretty and you probably like coffee.
TrueHellDei PM
01-12-2011, 04:16 AM
^^ Making a few
comments or teasing You with puzzles was something that I planned to
do first, but I thought that You’d the same. And wanted to make You
tell me more about You as well, so I gave up on that ;P Besides,
there are some people I’m open with and there are some people I’m
not, as well as there are people I don’t even bother to open my
mouth if I don’t have to. Also, it feels quite pleasant to have You
curious about me ^_~ I consider You being obviously inteligent and
beyond the average person. This makes me somewhat concerned that I
may be not the person You’re assuming me to be. And that’s Your
fault for saying many nice things about me ;P
So, about me being
evil. Maybe evil really isn’t the right word. I think mean would
suit better. In fact I do not enjoy make innocent people or any
living beings suffer, and totally senseless violence or just plain
cruelity is something I don’t like. I also don’t find the
pleasure in making others suffer in order to make me feel better.
However, I can be really cold, strict and mean. Especially, when I’m
in the bad mood. I have bad mouth. So if someone or something si
getting on my nerves I can’t stop myself from making a ‚striking’
comment. Well, these comments are on quite cultural level, but they
are far from being nice. And I don’t give a damn if someone gets
hurt by it. I tend to frankly speak what I think about something,
even if it can bring me unpleasant consequences later( for example I
always talk about any actions of my company president making him look
nothing more than just unsophisticated, overconfident snob, under any
acceptable level, everytime it irritates me. And I say it out loud.
Sometimes I really wonder how it’s possible that he didn’t kick
me out yet ;P) I must also admit that I’m quite an egoist. In other
words - I’d call myself a cynical *****...
About my looks - I
look young in any cloth. That’s because of my face...No matter what
I wear it makes me look immature. It wont change even if I put a
thick make up and most mature-looking clothes on me. I still would
look like dressed up seventeen in the eyes of others...I have two
younger sisters and everytime when people see us toghether, they
think I’m the youngest. Also, I even can’t buy myself a plain
bottle of beer if I don’t have ID card with me. A few weeks ago,
some man I just met in the pub told me I look like 15 years
old.....and I quite often have, like 16 years old boys hitting on
me....And in reality, I’m long after my twenties.....All the things
like that can be really annoying when often repeated...If you want to
see how do I look like, I have a few sloppy pictures added here, on
my AC profile ;P.
Now, about my
interrogation capabilities. Do You feel like being interrogated by me
? ;P I’m pretty sure that You’d notice if I tryed to do it. I
think that You’re not the kind of person who can be manipulated
easily. However, these are just my words. You may believe them or
not.
As for the
predictability. I’m still more into unpredictability. Even if it
affects me directly and even if it’s a bad thing happening. I’m
ok with You calling me a freak for that ^_~Surely I prefer good
suprises over bad ones. I’m not a masochist ;P Negative turn of
events can bring dissapontment as well. Also pain and suffering.
However, my reaction to it is mostly like ‚come on, bring it on !
there’s no way I give up to it !’ I guess I’ll be the last
person crying over myself or feeling pity for me. It may sound like
I’m emotionless icy woman. But I’m able to feel emotions, like
other human beings. I just don’t like to give up, loosing control
or colapse because of them. Well, it happens sometimes. After all,
I’m not made of wood.
As for intelligence.
I’d say that only someone lacking it can say that it must have
something to do with being rich. I’ve known many people 'rich' in
knowledge and not rich materially. You can also be inteligent and
kinda helpless in life at the same time. But yeah - question in
variation. Some people lack imagination in many cases, searching
material proofs for an intelligence is good a example for this.(...)
continuation in the
next one
About Your
conjectures. If I’m pretty - it depends of ones tastes and
preferences. Sometimes I do prefer looks over comfort. It depens on
the situation or on the mood I’m in ;P But I feel comfortable
wearing high heels too. I’m sooo used to it. ^_~ It’s true that I
do have quite routine life. However, I’m trying to fithg with that.
I do not like routine. And I’m not much into coffe, I prefer tea
^_~ In fact I love tea. Especially green one (in many variations). I
don’t have anything against coffe, I drink it when I feel like it .
As for me living in intellectual solitude. I’d call that me being
an alienating snob acting high and mighty ;P but that’s not the
case. I don’t have any problems associating with people. But it’s
indeed truth that I rarely have an opportunity to enjoy a disscussion
with some depth...And this is definitely something I long for.
Now, comparing to
all this blah blah blah of mine, You didn’t say much about Yourself
;P So now I’m expecting You to reveal something more. For example -
do You have a routine life? Do You live in intellectual solitude? Do
You like coffe? ;P ^_~What are the things You like and dislike in
life ?
Thor PM
01-12-2011, 10:50 PM
I am also pleased
that you are interested in me and happy to tell me so much about you;
it is even more pleasing that you even care what I think about you.
Well I actually find
us really similar in many ways, while it is clear that it would let
us better understand each other, it is questionable whether we would
get along with each other's selfishnesses.
Striking comments
might be interesting, but what if person comments back: does it
evolves into verbal war or stops in some way? What you prefer from
person on whom you comment and what you do in different outcomes?
Generally this to
certain extend different for me because sometimes I keep things quiet
by not noticing some flaws and some other times I try to be polite in
telling something negative and finally I am mean in certain
situation, I am more mean in debates that in general life; also I am
more likely to be mean with people I dislike and more polite with
people I like. Also I can't say that your way is alien to me, in
certain forms it has its appeal.
You indeed cute.
Your face looks young but your eyes give you away because they are
way not innocent and immature. Also on your most recently added photo
your smile and lips are so 'I don't know what word can describe it
accurately, probably there is no such word, but I really like them'
and your eyes are filled with mixture of love, hope and sadness in
addition to glance of intellect that also presented on other photos
because its not a feeling but a personal quality. You also have
small, slightly pink cheeks that makes me think that you are slightly
embarrassed. Your looks are very interesting combination of innocence
and maturity that while contradicting on logical level is fine for
feelings. Well sure photo can't give absolutely accurate impression
but that what I felt/thought and I like it.
Well I was just
teasing you with this controversial question about interrogation, I
hope I didn't went too far and offended you.
Your attitude on not
giving up is admirable, I would say the same about me even though I
often not look like a strong person. I often have things that
possible and really concern me my way, one way or another, or some
other, and almost always try to. Even though I can stand to challenge
I would prefer to not have unpredictable events in my life, I can
enjoy only positive surprises only in certain aspects. Generally I
prefer balance between stability in certain aspects of life and
diversity and changes in certain others; I also prefer to control
what diversifies and changes. That is of course if events have
significant impact on me, because many things do not really bother me
and therefore there is no problem if something like that changes in
any way, that is even interesting in many cases. I would not blame
you for your life priorities as long as collateral damage from them
wouldn't hit me hard.
I am probably even
more icy than you because I am very rational and almost always calm
or just friendly positive; I rarely show other emotions even though I
can feel them.
Well sure
intelligence and richness often not related, even though you can use
former to get the latter, but many ordinary people can't comprehend
intelligence and only can understand material 'proof'; also some
consider that getting rich is reason of life and just don't
understand those who do not follow it.
About me:
Life is kind of
combination of routine and not, at the moment mostly not routine.
Intellectual
situation is somewhat similar to yours.
I can like coffee
only when I am not drinking it, sometimes I drink tea though but
mostly cola and water.
I like things I like
to happen and things I don't like to not happen.
Well I guess you
want something more informative so:
I like philosophy,
history and politics. In history and politics I have may be not
comprehensive but good knowledge about many countries and historical
eras. Philosophy interests me as approach to understanding the world.
I like various forms
of art such as music, pictures, movies and video games and have
fairly good knowledge and taste especially in the latter through I am
interesting in all of them depend on quality of each
song/movie/game/etc.
TrueHellDei VM
01-14-2011 12:37 PM
Hey^^ How are You
today ?
I'm in the middle
of writing a pm to You. I'll be finishing and sending it later today.
I had quite bad and tiring past two days. And I'm having an
overwhelming desire of going to my warm bed right now...I'm affraid I
can't resist it...
So have a nice
evening/night and talk to You later^^
Thor VM
01-14-2011 01:18 PM
Hi, I am fine.
I hope nothing of
it is still a trouble for you. If you need my advise feel free to
ask. And generally take you time and have a nice sleep, you need it.
TrueHellDei PM
01-15-2011, 09:17 AM
Okay, first - I’m
pleased that You’re pleased xD ^_~ And it’s true that I actually
care what You think about me. I’m not entirely sure why. Maybe
because I find You quite outstanding comparing to other people, maybe
because I enjoy talking to You or maybe I developed kind of a soft
spot for You ;P
Level of similarity
between us is pretty high ^_~ and questioning whether we would get
along with each other’s selfishnesses is no suprise to me. I would
be very interested in seing the outcome of this myself^^ But I think
we would get along with that. I consider myself being very tolerative
person and the more I like someone the more tolerative I become. I
guess You also don’t have the tendency of being agressive, so
probably we would have the acceptance for our egoism. If not...our
possible quarrels still would be something I’ll be anticipating to.
Even this seem fovourably interesting to me^^
Now, about striking
comments. People comments back very rarely. And even if they do,
they’re 'crushed' by what is comming from my mouth next. They seem
to cant find the right words to counter me. That’s somewhat
disappointing, because I like when they’re talking back. I even
kinda expect that. I wouldn’t say it’s a verbal war. More like a
teasing, the more they struggle, the more interesting it gets. That’s
why I don’t like it when they give up so quickly...There were a few
people who took the challenge and played this game with me. And there
were two men able to enjoy it and beat me at it in the end xD They’re
my good friends now^^
Thank You very much
for saying that I’m cute ;P and even more for the rest You’ve
said about my looks ~^^~I must say that You are the first person
telling me that my eyes are way not innocent and immature. Do I have
perverted glance ? xD ;P Of course I’m just joking. But what You
said is really interesting cause I often heard that my eyes are big
and innocent as a child’s eyes. I’m glad You’re seing something
different and more than that in them. However, these are just sloppy
pics ;P I don’t really like being photographed. Frankly speaking I
hate it...These pics were an exception I made for my childhood friend
who I haven’t seen for a very long time.
Your question about
interrogation was nowhere near being controversial ^_~ You didn’t
went too far and You didn’t offend me ! If I would be in Your
place, I’d ask exactly the same^^ Also, my reply for that question
was also a bit teasing one. It looked like something You’d actually
say to an interrogated person to put his vigilance to sleep...;P
My attitude of not
giving up is something I needed to develop myself, because of the
‚wind constantly blowing strongly in my eyes’ during my own life.
I needed to learn how to get used to that. And if my life priorities
would cause a serious collateral damage to someone else, I would
rather change these priorities instead of letting this happen.
Everything You wrote
about intelligence and richness is very true. I can only add that, I
do not consider making money as reason of my life.
I’m glad that You
revealed more information about Yourself^^ I can say that I’m
interested in history, philosphy and politics too. Speaking of the
historical eras, I’m most interested in Sengoku jidai in Japanese
history and Victorian era of England (especially in its dark aspects
like: underground society, Jack the Ripper’s case and people’s
huge interest in occultism back then) So, do You have a favourite
philosopher ? And what are Your favourite video games ?
TrueHellDei VM
01-15-2011 11:26 AM
Glad to hear You're
fine.
And thank You for
willing to help^^
Thor PM
01-16-2011, 04:04 PM
You so nice. And I
guess I have to admit that I like and care for you too.
Well some debates
are just interesting but some quarrels need to be resolved in one way
or another and that is where it could get tricky. So what is your
stance in such situations and what you qualify as really important to
you?
Well your previous
comments about striking comments and being mean suggested that you
want to make point with such criticism but your latest one gives
impression that you do it as as form of entertainment to yourself and
a test to people around you. So can you clarify this aspect?
I seems that you
don't like your looks, I hope you don't mind me liking it. And as I
said it is love, not perversity. First impression of your eyes are
About interrogation:
your analysis falls short of my most recent response?
But you said you
life is routine, is it a challenging routine? And you are
considerable and kind of self-sacrificing, it is nice.
In history I mostly
try to summarize everything into a bigger picture of development of
humanity but I am also interested in some particular processes and
phenomenons, I have some general knowledge of the eras you mentioned
but I think you can tell me more and that would be an interesting
discussion.
Philosophers, well I
will mention some:
Socrates, because
his approach of questioning things and breaking big problems into
smaller ones lead is important for philosophy, Atheism and science.
I can't say I
completely agree with Nietzsche because some interpretations of his
ideas are too radical but some of his ideas are interesting and give
realistic outlook on reality.
Freud's ideas helped
me better understand people; I think some of them are at least
sometimes right for all people and always right for many.
And of course me =)
Now please tell me
more about your interests in philosophy.
Video games:
I somewhat prefer
strategies more than other genres but I play and played many
different kinds of games and generally choose games on both their
overall merit and appeal to me.
To name few, well
not so few:
Most games by
Blizzard
Civilization
(especially I and IV)
Europa Universalis
III
Heroes of Might and
Magic (especially III and IV even though most fans like only one of
them)
Legacy of Kain
series
Max Payne 1 and 2
GTA series
Assassin's Creed
especially second
Space Rangers 2
Medieval II: Total
War
Prince of Persia
series (especially the very first one, The Shadow and the Flame,
Warrior Within and one without second name published in 2008)
well I can continue
but I guess I will stop on these so far. Now what about you?
TrueHellDei PM
01-19-2011, 10:08 AM
Wooaah, You called
me nice ^^ It’s quite strange feeling, because people rarely adress
me as such. I’d say I’m not nice. Not in general. I’m only nice
to the people I like(and to cats xD LOL).Well, people often mistake
me being polite(which I consider kind of a standard representing the
level of the personal culture) with being nice. I’m polite
unintentionaly. It’s something I just do. And I’m nice
intentionally. To the people I want to.(like You - for example^^)
Well, I’m glad to
hear You like me too^^ ( So after we confessed to each other, the
next step should be...a kiss ? xD LOL ok, I’m just joking ;P ^_~)
Now, about quarrels.
I guess I’m not into quarreling generally. Surely not into
senseless yelling at each other. But I like things going my way(that
includes making/forcing/manipulating people to do things my way ;P)
However the quarrel depends on the person I’m quarreling with. I
don’t quarrel with the people I don’t give a damn about, they can
just go and do all the stupid things they wan’t, as long as it not
affects me. If affects, I demand changes. When it’s a person I care
about, but his/her point is just totally senseless in my eyes, I’m
trying to convince him/her to my point of view, however if not
accepted, I’m not forcing anyone to agree with me, I’m accepting
their different point of view and I expect them do the same. So I can
get really angry if they’re trying to force their way on me no
matter what. I like something called 'the freedom of choice'. And the
thing may also look different if it’s a person who I 'love'. So if
that person wants A and I want B, then I’m trying to think about
C(mix of the A and B acceptable for both). But there’s also high
possibility for me to resign from my A totally and accept B to make
the person I love happy, if it’s nothing against my fundamental
beliefs. If it is, I’m doing A and the person is free to do B. And
I’ll try to repspect that, unless it’s something like joining
neonazists...
I said my life is
routine but I didn’t say I like it. And I wouldn’t call it
challenging. More like bothersome.
As for my striking
comments - it’s both - I do it as as form of entertainment to
myself and I want to make point with such criticism. Depends on
situation. But there are some areas when it’s only to criticize -
for example - toward people from my country, using our national
language unpropperly(by unpropperly here I mean bad grammar, bad
sentence construction, distorted words, poor vocabulary etc...)
That’s something which always annoys me greatly...
If I said I don’t
like my looks that would be lying. I’m aware that I’m quite
attractive and it’s a positive thing to me. I only don’t like
when people see nothing more than that, or define who I am basing on
my looks. I have a strong feeling of rebelling againist that.
Now lets talk about
philosphy !^^ Asking about your favourite philophphers I kinda
expected You pick Freud and Nietzsche, I wasn’t sure enough about
Sokrates LOL I could even bet on that xD However I was a bit amazed
that You really picked them^^ You 'sounded' Nietzsche-like to me when
I was reading Your posts about God ^_~ And the truth is that I like
them too. I like Nietzsche’s way of thinking, even if I can’t
agree with everything he was stating. I don’t even mind his
chauvinistic comments about women. I personally think they’re
mostly truth ;P As for the Freud, he surely had many good points.
Most of them indeed hits the spot. And don’t forget about You ^_~
Well I guess that asking You about Your philosophic ideas would be
too vague, so I’m gonna ask what are You thinking about some
Freud’s and Nietzsche’s theorys.
As for Freud - about
one of the most controversial - his 'Penis envy’ theory ;P
As for Nietzsche -
about his 'Ubermensch(Overman, Above-Human)’ concept.
I’ll tell You more
about my interst and view on the philosophy next time, cause I
already wrote too much and it probably make two pm's instead of
one...
So, few final words
about video games - I like video games^^ I’m a big fan of fighting
ones - like Tekken 5(my personal favourite of all times), Street
Fighter 4, Soul Calibur 3 (well, I’m a big fan of martial arts in
general^^) but I also like strategy ones. From what You listed, I
only played GTA and Assasin’s Creed...I also like Kingdom Hearts,
Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Tenchu The Wrath Of Heaven, Final
Fantasy, Burnout Takedown and some more ^_~
Thor PM
01-19-2011, 06:53 PM
It is really nice
that you want to be nice for me and with me, I really appreciate it.
Kiss would be really
nice but what about distance? Well before we will find solution for
distance problem I would imagine kissing and hugging you if you don't
mind.
You mean 'senseless'
as 'purposeless' or as 'impolite'?
Generally I think
that if our lives and relationship will not be integrated in many
aspects and each of us would have plenty of freedom and personal
space it would have good chances to last long. As for me if I care I
still do not interfere much with other people's lives because I value
freedom so much, so I might suggest or ask you to do something but I
will accept if you don't, though it would make me happier if you do.
On the other side I am very protective of my personal space never
like any interference with it; while you may ask or suggest things
you should understand that in my life final decisions up to me. I
like mutually acceptable compromises and often come up and offer them
but closer thing to me more likely I will want it entirely my way. So
feel free to ask, sometimes I might make even something big for you
depends on what is it, but never insist. Because of our similarities
in level of intellect, selfishness, persistence and love for freedom
I think that egalitarian relationship with respect to each others
freedoms and refrain from using manipulations against each other
would be the best and only working for us; I would consider you
objections or comments if you have any.
'challenge' is
neutral word not positive, so there were no reason for you to
consider that I was implying positiveness in my previous statement.
Well, despite
previous paragraph, I am not so dedicated to language general
accuracy but I find it important to point out inaccuracy in meaning
because otherwise there would be misunderstanding.
Thor PM
01-19-2011, 11:19 PM
About philosophy:
First of all I am really disappointed that of all topics you decided
no to talk much about this one, because it can say a lot about
personality, values and understanding of reality. Why you don't want
me to learn more about you?
About women: do you
think it applies for majority of women excluding you or to you
personally?
Freud's Ubermensch
has plenty of different interpretations so I think it would be good
to specify what Freud meant or at least what I think he meant. So it
is mostly about materialistic human self-understanding as opposite to
spiritual one. Freud considers religious people, who just quietly
living their lives under the oppression form strong ones with hope
that in the afterlife god will punish their oppressors, inferior to
the oppressors and emphasized that one should try to be better in
real world instead of hoping for justice and better life in the
afterlife, he also said that is one of possible goals to humanity
overall.
I and I think many
if not everyone can agree with Freud that self development is surely
way better for individual compare to religion emphasized weakness and
acceptance of fate. As for will society overall will be better off as
Ubermensches or as slaves to god than there are a lot of aspects to
consider.
For example religion
apologists might argue that religion brings moral that make society
better but I think it is a facade not a real piety; even without
religion good people would do good things and bad would do bad with
any religion; universal acceptance of religious moral gives people
illusion of security while in fact malicious people just made false
pledges and will continue their malice that would be even more
efficient against unsuspecting commoners. Of course it is not
comprehensive coverage of religions influence on people and we can
elaborate a lot about details but I think general idea is quite
accurate.
Also religion bring
inner peace to many people via its illusion, but life in this myth
has questionable advantage even for them personally, because despite
all their believes reality stays same and closing eyes while would
make them less scared would not protect them from danger; as for
society overall I don't think it is good to encourage its members to
be weaker and more stupid.
Finally slaves
require master(s), even if there is no they would seek one; so there
are some either by chance or very commonly by desire and effort that
control and command all these slaves; therefore in these societies
you either in command or with the rest of the slaves, and if you
dissent master would eventually eliminate you in the name of god if
not because consideration of you as a challenger for him then because
slaves would not be able to comprehend you freedom and would consider
it against their rules(god) and a bad influence. So many and you
would either be brainwashed or forced to accept it hypocritically and
do what you don't want/see reason/whatever you opinion is to do and
claim adherence to things you dislike/detest/whatever your opinion
is.
As for modern
societies that in western countries they are somewhat mixed which is
not too bad because it allows freedom and development. And in non
western it differs.
Overall I think that
Ubermensch is a good goal for humanity because it encourages
development and achievement and with right framework of facilitation
and discouragement of different activities it would allow humanity to
keep developing further and further towards better future. Also it is
allows and leads to more honesty and less hypocrisy. I wrote so much
and still think I omitted a lot of details but I think that the text
above still explains general ideal; if there are some unclarity feel
free to ask questions.
As for 'Penis envy’
theory, you asking it simply because you have strong unfulfilled
desire for penis
Well seriously I
don't think that stages of Psychosexual development that Freud
outlined are so universal but I think that they can apply to many
people, because with lack of contacts with general society people
commonly develop sexual desire towards those who are nearby and in
case of children it is commonly one of their parents. Also despite
the name stages are fairly similar for both genders. Also Freud is
Jew and in their culture love to mother is something really important
and very common so he might got influenced by his own experience.
Girl's desire to
have penis is just one of these stages and not something permanent.
Now it is your turn.
As for video games:
it seems that we have really different tastes in both genres and
games (I played only Resident Evil (I think 4 but I am not sure) from
what you listed) so we can either describe different games to each
other or discuss GTA, Assassin's Creed or Resident Evil but I think
that philosophy is more interesting.
TrueHellDei PM
01-20-2011, 01:39 AM
About philosophy: First of all I am really disappointed that of all
topics you decided no to talk much about this one, because it can say
a lot about personality, values and understanding of reality. Why you
don't want me to learn more about you?(...) I think that philosophy
is more interesting.
Heeey, wait a minute
! I don't know where in my words You found impression that I don't
wan't to talk about philosophy ???...I said that I want to and have
so much to say in that matter that I need to write new pm(or more) to
You about this matter. I think that philosphy is one of the most
interesting topics to talk about with You ! So You better be
prepared, because I'm gonna write You really loooooooong message
about it ;P ^_~
Thor PM
01-20-2011, 06:49 AM
I meant in that
message not generally, I am waiting for the message with great
interest.
TrueHellDei PM
01-22-2011, 12:01 PM
So, I’m gonna
start from women. It may sound all high and mighty but I don’t
think that I’m like most women. (and I was very often said that I’m
not by men;P). I’m not writing it to compliment myself, but to
point that I am and how I am different. Well, I am still a woman so
I’m not that exceptional, however slight differences are following:
First - I’m not
trying to glorify my sex. I’m well aware of our(women) bad traits
and I’m not trying to hypocritically deny them. And frankly
speaking, I don’t like women(in general) and I don’t quite like
being a woman too ;P I could write an essay titled 'Why I think that
being a woman is ****ed up' but I’m not sure if You would wan’t
to read it ;P (if You’d be interested I can reply to that any
time).
Second - I’m
always on the men’s side. I prefer men over women(in general, not
only sexually). I consider them more interesting and valuable in many
aspects, also intelectually(I’m wondering how many feminists would
kill me for that statement LOL). But the truth is that 90% of my
friends are guys and I have only one female true friend. But she’s
my best friend or even more like a sister to me.
Third - I must admit
that I am a tomboy. I like footbal/soccer(I was even trainig it a bit
some time ago), martial arts(I was training kickboxing back in my
high school, and now I’m training kendo, however it’s more like
recreation to me) and also sport in general, video games, beer,
action/war movies etc and really don’t like shopping, talking about
clothes or cosmetics or make up, watching romance oriented movies ot
tv shows(because most of them are really not interesting and bad)
From typical women’s
ailments I have only two. I like shoes(especially high heels) and
sexy lingerie ;P
So I’m gonna
continue with 'Penis envy' now xD. I was asking just out of simple
curiousity but now since You’ve mentioned it - I guess that in fact
I do have unfulfilled desire for penis (Ooooh myyy, how ambiguous ;P
LOL! I mean - I’d like to have one=I’d rather prefer to be a man
and not like I’m a sex addicted xD) Well, I do not strive for
reaching for men’s positions in life(or something like 'power'
attached to that) It’s just simply that I like men better so I’d
prefer to be one too ;P But it’s not an obsessive thought xD. I
wouldn’t go and change my sex by surgery. I accept myself as a
woman, but sometimes being a woman is pissing me off and I have
thoughts how I’d prefer to be a man ;P
But, going back to
Freud. I also don’t think that Freud’s stages of Psychosexual
development are so universal, same goes for 'Penis envy' which is one
of them. For exaple, I think that Electra Complex can’t exist in
family with no father, same goes for Oedipus complex in family with
no mother. Well, child can easily place his/hers sexual attraction on
some other adult if there’s no such parrent. Let it be a homeroom
teacher or other relative. But there wont be much of rivalisation if
this person is a single. There’ll be no female/male adult to be
envy of. I’d even say that all this about 4-6 years old’s
interest in parrents or other adults of different sex have much more
to do with kid’s strong desire to monopolize and tendency to
mimicikng adults than with behaviour described by Freud. More over,
the most deniable part for me in all this is Frued’s concept
assuming that girl’s sexual interest is first developed toward her
mother. And later placed on the father. I think that little girl can
be interested sexually in her father even before she fully notices
anatomy difference. It can be just because of mimicking her mother’s
behaviour and strong desire to monopolize her father just for
herself. It can make her envy of her mother and cause Electra complex
as well. I think that it mustn’t even be a sexuall attraction at
first. That kind of interest may come later along with her own
sexuality realization. I’m also not much into concept saying that
girl’s sexual selfconciousness starts with realisation that she
doesn’t have a penis. I think that what she’s interested first is
herself and her 'thing'. I mean, that medicine knows cases of a 4
years old girls masturbating. They didn’t know what penis is for or
what it is like to have sex or even how boys are different
anatomically, but they already were doing it to themeselves purely
for the pleasure and they were doing it intentionally. So summing all
this, theory saying that the penis becomes the organ of principal
interest to both sexes in the 'phallic stage', gets no from me.
As for the
Ubermensch, I view this theory as a bit more controversial than You
^_~ Well, I’m not gonna to interprete it in such vulgar and
tasteless way that Nazis did long time ago. By the way - how great
irony is that Nazis took concepts of a man who hated Germans, hated
Germany, hated anti-semitism, annulled his Prussian citizenship and
claimed to have polish roots. Anyway, I can agree that it’s a goal
that encourages development and achievement, that is a life-affirming
and progress-affirming goal, a denial to hypocrisy(especially a
christian-made one), denial to nihilism. Also, I can agree with
everything You wrote about it in Your last message. However, I see a
bit of Machiavelism in it ;P That’s because it’s very universal.
It suits ruthless tyrants too. The outcome of it may also be
absolutely not humanitarian and only progress and future
life-affirming, don’t giving a damn about the present. A total 'the
end justify the means'.
And now a few words
to point what interests me and what I’m looking for in philosophy.
I’m interested in this life we have here. What’s its purpose?
What’s its meaning ? Is it any purpose or meaning to it at all ?
Why we are here for? What’s life’s worth in itself ? What human
is ? What is his true nature ? How this world works ? I’d like to
know what other people through the ages were thinking about it. And I
really like Nietzsche’s ‚brave’ and controversial thoughts,
regardless how pessimistic they often were. I’m also looking for
posiblle answers to these questions in literature. And I just love
Fiodor Dostoevsky^^ My favourite book telling a lot in that matter is
Fiodor Dostoevsky’s "The idiot" (Actually, this is my
favourite book of all times as well, I love it to death ^_~)
Now, about other
stuff. I don’t mind You imagining kissing and hugging me ^_~ Ater
all, You have this comfort to know how I look like so it’s easier
for You to imagine that ;P As for my 'senseless' I meant 'puroseless'
and thought of a word 'challenge' as possitive because I mostly like
challenges, but it’s true that the word itself is neutral. And
about my national language accuracy - I'm quite obsessed about it
because the harsh truth is that my national language is dying...The
way people speak in my country nowadays is unaccepltable. It’s so
pathetic, it’s tragic. They can’t even build a gramatically and
logically correct simple short sentence. And vocabulary the most
people have here is poor beyond any imagination...It’s very
sad...Well, at least it’s sad to me.
I think I end it
here for today but before I’ll do it, I’d like to ask You
something. Can You tell me Your name ?
Thor PM
01-23-2011, 08:19 PM
You arrogant like
me, but differently arrogant: stronger but narrower - superior to
other women (Uberfraulein). Martial arts are quite unexpected but
what is much more interesting is that you want to be man, but at the
same time you don't want power or to change sex and you sexually
attracted to guys so what is it you want? And what troubles you in
being women that you cannot overcome (I mean you can do what you like
to do and have whatever friends you like both as man and as women):
is it social pressure, or PMS, or something else?
hmm, I like women in
sexy lingerie. All that sounds like you are a dream woman for a
typical man: you don't have most annoying women's habits, you like
what many guys like, you look really cute and have good taste in
cloth and underclothes; if you like different kinds of sex it would
make you ideal girlfriend and if you can cook and clean at least
sometimes than even cohabitant or wife. So with all that you should
be able to get almost any typical man if you are really looking for
it, but probably you don't looking at least for a typical one, that
all makes you a really interesting person and me even more eager to
get answer to my question about what you want in life; I think that
would be something really unusual and please be detailed.
As for my interests
then generally they are not stereotypically male of female, but
mostly male and somewhat stereotypically nerdy and elitist, but I
guess I am not a complete nerd and even elitist. I am not much into
sports: my favorite sport to play is chess (excluding video games
sports) and to watch I guess Formula One. I like video games as I
said, don't really drink alcohol, don't like shopping much and don't
generally watch TV. As for movies, I mostly like them for interesting
story, non trivial characters and depiction of interesting ideas.
Good action is surely good as well as anything else good.
As for Psychosexual
development: I think that in many cases sexual desire in children
starts subconsciously so person do not realize why he/she is
attracted to someone, I think Freud meant that even though theory do
not states it explicitly. As for masturbation it is mostly an
instinct and a part of procreation instinct that originally do not
meant to lead to masturbation but ended up doing so. And generally I
would still go with my idea that Psychosexual development is
different from person to person and mostly based on experiences and
personality; stages, that Freud described in his Psychosexual
development, happen to certain people, but overall sequences are not
really relevant, especially nowadays. Also in Freud's time society
had way more traditional families with women staying with kids/in the
kitchen and men working, so kids of both sexes seen mother way more
often therefore it was logical for Freud to consider that both of
them would at first be interested in mother. Overall Freud's theory
was way more relevant to the time and society he lived in.
Ubermensch: Well
Nazi just borrowed a word and tried to tailor theory for their needs
to win more support. It was a good plan for Nazi to make up or tailor
something philosophical to back their ideology and despite irony, for
justification of ideology it didn't really mattered what Nietzsche
really meant.
About tyrants: while
Ubermensch theory may be morally justifies tyranny but what it
doesn't justify or explain is why that tyrant should have power and
why others should obey him. So tyrant wouldn't not be able to keep
power long enough because when other people would realize that rule
of a tyrant against their interests they would overthrown him/her. If
you will look on various past and existing dictatorships then you
will see that they are based on some ideology that justifies their
rule with some reason, there were no tyrants that just walked out and
say that they are tyrants they all pretended that they serve
god/people/workers/senate/whatever and do everything in people's best
interest. Masters need slaves because that is what makes them masters
in the first place; there can be no tyrants if there are no
followers. Also tyrants and Ubermensches were way before Nietzsche
and still will be even if his thoughts would be completely destroyed
from everywhere.
Also to prevent
tyranny and encourage people to be better to each other it is
important to emphasize the idea that in society where everybody good
to each other in the long run would be more beneficial for every
single person, because many tyrants and other sneaky people of the
past ended up being eliminated by similarly sneaky means by their
opponents and those who managed to survive still lived in constant
fear and suspicion that is how they would end up if they will try to
use sneaky methods or try to establish themselves as tyrants. Members
of the tyranny always end up living very unhappy life regardless of
how good being a tyrant may sound before it began. Surely society of
Ubermensches requires high intellectual level from its members, but
hat is what most important in being Ubermensch.
Also, I totally
forgot Machiavelli - he is also one of my favorite philosophers; not
because I would like to follow his guidelines for being a successful
prince but because he covers how things really work.
I don't think
Nietzsche's views are pessimistic because they only shows what life
really is, and even suggest possible better alternative.
As for Dostoevsky's
Idiot: what exactly you like in this book, what characters and what
do you think is the major idea of the book?
About kissing and
hugging: You sound like you don't like it and sacrificing your body
for my pleasure; I said I like that quality of yours, but I still
wonder why you dislike these things? Also I would imagine kissing and
hugging you even without photo and I wonder how do you think I look?
And I think having
you real where I am would be nice too, but I am not sure whether you
would sacrifice that much for me: you don't talk about it.
I wonder why you
want to know my name, do you think that you know me from somewhere
IRL or something? Also you should tell me your name in return or even
better in advance.
TrueHellDei VM
01-26-2011 01:34 PM
Hey, how are You^^
I'm somewhere in the middle of my pm to You. It should be ready soon.
You sure asked me some tough questions in Your last one ;P ^_~ but
they were all 'good' questions as well ^^
Thor VM
01-26-2011 02:12 PM
I am fine, how about
you? Well some questions indeed difficult, but I like that you like
them.
TrueHellDei VM
01-26-2011 02:31 PM
Thank You, I'm quite
not good lately. I'm a bit stuck into gloomy mood or something like
that...>.< Well, I'm glad You're fine, and exchanging pm's with
You makes me feel better so I should be ok too very soon ^_~
Thor VM
01-26-2011 03:23 PM
What troubles you? I
might be able to help you. Of course it is nice that you like PM with
me, I like it too; and it is appealing to me that I can make you
happier.
TrueHellDei VM
01-26-2011 03:49 PM
You can make me
happier because I have a huge fun talking to You xD I mean, there
isn't many people I can talk about stuff I'm talking with You, so I'm
always like very excited while replying to Your messages ;P
And thank You for
Your concern again^^ I guess my current state is nothing demanding
deeper discussion but if situation will change I'll let You know.
I'll be off for
now, so till the next time^^
*hugs*
Thor VM
01-26-2011 05:50 PM
*hugs back*
May be I am
interested not only in talks, but talks are big part of what
interests me in you; not just because that was the first thing that
attracted me to you, I generally like interesting, intellectual
conversations and you are very interesting and smart as I said
before.
And you are welcome
to ask for help.
Have a nice
morning/day/evening/night.
I am looking
forward for your next big message reply.
TrueHellDei PM
01-28-2011, 08:29 AM
According to social
etiquete woman should intoduce herself to the man first, so I guess
I’ll go with - I’m pleased to meet You (since I didn’t say that
yet ;P). My name is Emily.
Now, lets start from
this sentence of Yours: "You arrogant like me, but differently
arrogant: stronger but narrower - superior to other women
(Uberfraulein)."- is that supposed to be a compliment ? If not,
it still is the best compliment I’ve ever heard ;P xD
So, what troubles me
in being a woman. Surely not so-called social pressure - I don’t
give a damn about it, nor the PMS since I seem to not have much of
typical difficulties connected to that. I’d even risk saying that I
don’t have PMS at all ;P However I still think that being a woman
is more troublesome compared to being a man. Lets take the case of
the looks for example. We women need to pay much more attention to
that than men. Somehow we always end up concerned about not to gain a
few pounds to much or our skin/hair/wardobe condition. Well, You may
say that nobody force us to doing it. But none of man would pay
attention to unatractive woman, even if he’s looking for something
more than just apperance, that what draws his attention first, is the
look. Well the woman has the choice to do what she wants in this
matter but I bet that any woman with some pride wouldn’t allow
herself for a totally unattractive apperance(unattractive in her own
eyes). For example I don’t like depilation, because it’s quite
painful, annoying and takes a lot of time but I wouldn’t allow
myself for not doing it because smooth skin is a must for me. And I
feel somewhat obligated and forced to do it. That makes me envious of
men who doesn’t have such problem. Same goes for being envious of
most men’s faster and better metabolism. I shouldn’t be writing
about menstruation being a pain in the ass since I have problems like
stomach ache because of it about once in a year, but the fact you
have it is a pain in the ass itself, no matter how You look at it. I
also think that we women have a bit different way of thinking than
men. And by saying it I’m taking a difference of personalities of
both genders onto consideration. I still think that women, no matter
the personality, think a bit differently than men(no matter the
personality). And I’m talking about completely unlogical,
unreasonable useless and truoblesome way of thinking here. Well, I
think that we are way more troublesome creatures overall. That’s
why I’d prefer to be a man. I find men more valauable. I think that
most waluable in being a woman is that she can complement a man. But
there’s one exception in this sentence - I don’t consider every
male being a man. And in that statement You can find an answer to the
question why I don’t go for most guys ;P In other words, what
troubles me in being a woman is 'woman’s ****ed up mind' or maybe
it’s only my own '****ed up mind' and I’m simply making excuses
that I have it cause I’m a woman? Who knows ;P
Now, about my
relations with men, would You believe if I say that most of men I
know can’t handle me? The fact that I really like guys a lot
doesn’t mean I’d give myself just to anyone. It’s very easy for
men to be friends with me, but to advance to higher level need some
more effort. Well, I like to flirt( a lot ^^ ) but I'm not easily
impressed. I may seem open, nice and very easy to talk with but when
it comes to certain areas I'm quite unapproachable person. I'd say
that I have a lot confidence in being able to see trough people and
not let others see trough me. Let's be honest - I am an evil woman.
Seriously. Cynical and sarcastic. I already said earlier that I like
to play with people, especially with men who seem to be interested in
me. I'm teasing them to see how they'll react. And I don't like
obedient ones. But they usually give up so quickly and I have no fun
at all. I like when people are slipping away my predictions and
calculations. Also, I wont truly acknowledge a man unless his
personality is 'stronger' than mine, or unless he really impress me
with something else. It's kinda like I won't hand myself over without
'fighting', so if one wants me, he must use 'force' and 'overpower'
me. Well, sometimes, I'm having crushes. It's something I can't
control and can’t help it and it can be really troublesome too ;P
At a times like this, I'm already 'overpowered' to begin with. That's
why I need to be extra cautious (cooling my head 20 times at a day
and trying to control my emotions ;P) because the 'object of
affection' may turn out to be an idiot...However, there's some 'kind'
of men I'm susceptible to ;P (and they're seem to be
inteligent&cool&quite‚naughty’ ones....;P) And I like men
in a decent suit ~^^~ xD LOL All that I said till now was about the
'first step' to make me fall for someone, not about relationships.
This subject is more deep and difficult to explain. I was just
telling that I'd like the person who wont be affraid to oppose me or
face me when needed. Someone who'd know how to handle me(and I may be
not easy to handle...)But I don't like being dominated. On the
contrary, I have a strong desire to dominate. Also a habbit of making
everything on my own, without relying on others( I wont be asking for
help, no matter what). But I’m aware that there are times when I
neeed to be dominated( I need someone to stop my greedy, egoistic
actions, someone who'll kinda save me from myself ;P)
And all this looks
different when I have a 'special feelings' for a man. He’s able to
soften me and my behavior can be totaly changed...But I can't choose
the person I'll have crush on/fall in love/like/care for/whatever
You'd call this...I can't tell who'll be the next or when it'll
be...And I kinda still can't build a relationship with someone I
don't have any 'special feelings' for...I'm not interested in being
toghether just because I don't have anyone or for material gains or
just for sex. Well, it would be nice to have someone, at least for
the sake of my sexual needs I just mentioned ;P xD But somehow when I
happen to reaaaally like a man, he's already married or there are
some other serious complications...I think I completely have no luck
when it comes to that. Or maybe I’m expecting too much?
"About kissing
and hugging: You sound like you don't like it and sacrificing your
body for my pleasure; I said I like that quality of yours, but I
still wonder why you dislike these things?" - what makes You
think I dislike these things? I’ve already imagined hugging and
kissing You myself ;P LOL I was only pointing that You know how I
look like and I don’t now how do You look like. It’s not
something very important, as You see I can imagine hugging You
without knowing how You look, but I was interested in knowing cause
You’re interesting person in genereal to me. That’s making me a
bit curious about this matter as well, but I really hve no idea
whatYour aperance is like. I only have some stupid thoughts that
You’re wearing glasses, however I can’t explain why...o.O
As for me wanting to
know Your name, I’m curious about it, and I’d really like to know
it. Maybe even something more than that...somehow, knowing Your name
is strangely important to me...I can’t properly explain it, like it
would make Your existence more 'visible' in my reality or getting me
'closer' to the real You or something like that...
Now, the toughest
question - what I want in life. It’s really quite hard to answer
that (I’d even say - hello - You’re asking that a woman - the
most undecided being in world ;P). However, at the point in my life
I’m now, I should not only know the answer but also doing it, and I
still can’t say that I know it for sure. Well, I’m trying to
fulfill my dreams and aim for things that’ll bring me satisfaction
but...still...I think it's not the whole point here. Tough I seem to
know what's this life thing is about, sometimes I have a feeling that
I can’t get a full gasp of it...Almost as if I'm existing separated
by an invisible wall. Day by day, I'm trying to do things my way,
moving forward, being honest with myself, all regarding to my own
rules, so that I can't be disuguised with myself. However I surely
wouldn’t call myself a 'saint'. I guess I do not value my present
way of life much. And it's not like it makes me especially unhappy. I
only think it's nothing special. Even tough there are moments when
I'm thinking that being here, seeing a sunset, blooming cherry threes
in spring, shining full Moon(I LOVE the Moon^^) or a starry sky and
having a brain able to realise the beauty of all these things is a
bless. But, I'm not a person with the courage for constant positive
way of thinking. Nor even a person with the courage to simply
withdraw into my shell. However I like challenges. I look how reality
is thrust before my eyes, harsh, merciless, and I’m taking actions
according to that. Sometimes I’ll feel like walking in circles,
while doubting the very ground beneath me, so I’ll react in order
to change it. I guess I can say I’m trying to make my life worth
living. And as long as I can't tell for sure what is gonna happen
tommorow, I find this life interesting. I guess I can quote Sir
Arthur Conan Doyle and say that my life is "a constant attempt
to escape from places of banal existence." And I might be also
often folowing some of Jean-Paul Sartre’s concepts in my life. (I
forgot to mention that I also like this philospopher too). He said
that people are like a dice, we throw ourselves into life. We can
choose direction in which we want to throw ourselves. He also said: "
Thus, in living our lives, we often become unconscious
actors—Bourgeois, Feminist, Worker, Party Member, Frenchman,
Canadian or American—each doing as we must to fulfill our chosen
characters' destinies." I don’t want to be like that, I’m
not a 'social' or 'occupation' or 'nationlity'. I’m me, I’m
myself. And I’m trying to find my own balance in all this. That’s
all to it. And I’d be content when at the end of my life I could
say that I had a few 'bad ass' moments in it, a few exteptional
moment which made my life worth living(or at least one ;P). That’s
pretty much my answer now, I hope it’s pretty much detailed and not
a disappointing one.
Now, I also think
that having you real where I am would be nice too ^^ I’d really
like to have a chance talking with You face to face. I’d really
like to meet You in person.
I guess we have
reached quite common ground on subject of Freud’s Psychosexual
Development theory and Ubermensch concepts.
As for Dostoevsky’s
"The Idiot" I’d recommned You reading the book Yourself^^
It’s a story revolving around Prince Myshkin - a man who shows and
gives his goodness equally to everyone, no matter the person, no
matter the circumstances, no matter how despiceable the person may
be. He’s like a 'saint' in a world obsessed with power, money,and
sexual desires. Funny thing is that he seems to not be naive or
stupid. He’s well aware of what’s happening out there. Well, this
story is certainly not a fairy tale. The title reffers to Prince
Myshkin and his behaviour. The book is trying to anwer the question -
is being the kind of person Prince Myshkin was is worth anything? I
like that even the concept of the story may seem to be pathetic, the
story and the book wasn’t pathetic at all! It was a masterpiece.
And I loved the characters, they were portrayed brilliantly! They
seem to be real and not fake or shallow. They have a great depth and
there are so many different characters. I also love the story, love
its concept, love the way Dostoevsky is speaking trough his
characters and what he’s trying to say.
Well, I guess I’ll
end it here for today. I hope I didn't bore You with this long blah
blah blah of mine this time ;P
Thor PM
01-29-2011, 01:00 PM
I am pleased to meet
you too, Emily. And my name is Vladimir. Now that we now each others
name we should keep them in secret from the rest of the forum.
About Uberfraulein:
that is my opinion about you compare to females in general
You surely demanding
to yourself, I can't say that I like the approach but I like the
result: beautiful you. Also why you need to attract all man if you
look only for someone that matches your standards? As for different
way of thinking than culture and genetic memory are reasons: girls
brought up differently with different toys and socialize with other
girls instead of boys so they grow up being different; genetic memory
of women's role that was part of most societies (and all that reached
any significance in development) for at least several thousand years
also play role. And generally sanity is kind of insanity that shared
by many people, so I think everyone is ****ed up to some extend,
difference is only in one's understanding of his/her ****edupness and
ability to both live with it and overcome it; that is what makes
Ubermensch. But in your case it might be just a conflict between what
you like/desire and what you think is right for whatever reason.
The more you say you
are evil the less I think you are, after all honesty do not get along
well with evilness. And our conversation, while a test for me from
your perspective, is more like an interesting experience rather than
a challenge from mine.
In contrast to what
I have proposed you prefer relationships with greater integration,
that could be a problem but because you generally prefer to deal with
your problems yourself instead if relying on others you probably
wouldn't be a burden, because girls who expect guy's involvement in
every small, trivial, time consuming thing can be rather annoying.
Integration and you
attitude to man makes it quite logical that you want man to be
stronger than you. Your desire to dominate is just one of your tests
that requires men not to succumb to it and your need for domination
despite your dislike of it goes from your will to be better and
inability to achieve it on your own, this self development quest is
quite an interesting problem for me to be a guide in it.
So far my words were
efficient enough in handling you, I wonder what else I might need?
Nietzsche suggested whip; and more importantly whether there could be
situations where my words wouldn't work?
Qualities that you
like in men are quite logical considering my previous conclusions
about you and predictable; suit matches your dress preferences, but
if I would wear it it would me complementing you not you
complementing me.
hmm, Complications
like that we most likely live in different parts of the world?
And I wonder would
you at this point deny that you love me or not?
I didn't said you
dislike kissing and hugging I said you sounded like you dislike them,
the way you wrote it gave me this impression. And you want to know
how I look and that is important to you despite your denial; I will
give you a comparable description: hmm, what will be your reaction if
I will say that I look like Che Guevara without hat and with glasses.
I am not a fan of Che Guevara and an anticommunist but last time I
saw picture of him I thought that looks of this guy somewhat
resembles mine.
Also don't be shy,
tell me what do you like in sex?
So after all you are
very sentimental and nice girl that likes moon, stars and blossoms.
Where I live at some nights sky is dark blue instead of black and
that is really beautiful.
That invisible wall
situation you mentioned happens because life has no any global
meaning except survival and procreation; some people follow some
dogmas and end up being just parts of some identities mentioned by
you and those who follow their own way sometimes face situation where
they question their life on its meaningfulness; and solitude of this
life, that is especially prominent i such moments, feels like an
invisible wall that separates you from everything else. But there is
no meaning in the world behind that wall, there just unconscious
actors playing their parts. Not sure whether we would be able to be
and feel like together: we might end up felling that this invisible
wall separates us not just from the world but also from each other;
but just knowing that there is someone like me makes me feel better,
I hope it is same for you.
I like that you
don't like to stick to some labels such as occupation or nationality,
I use then for different reasons but do not limit my self
understanding to them.
And what is this
badass situation that you mentioned?
As for Sartre: I
like his bad faith Idea because it correlates with what I say about
religious people. As for idea you mentioned then I think big
paragraph about solitude and small after it covers my opinion about
it well enough, but to put it into sentence on its own then indeed
most people just choose one of the ways of being unconscious actors
and then just stick to it.
Also I wonder why
you call withdrawal to you shell a courage?
So overall while you
not sure whether you living 'right' or not, but, as you said before,
you stick to pursue for more adventures, challenges and interesting
situations and that how you test worth of your life.
You just shelfed
philosophical discussion because now you want to talk about yourself;
well I asked you to, so don't think of it as of my displeasure with
your actions.
About the book: Well
what you said is what one can get from pretty much any plot
description; what you personally like and what you think of actions
of different characters and their personalities: Prince Myshkin,
Aglaia, Nastasya Filippovna, Rogozhin.
Well I didn't
commented on everything you said but everything was interesting, hope
you would like what I wrote, have a nice weekend.
Thor VM
02-04-2011 06:47 PM
hmm, it is taking
you way longer to reply to my latest message, I wonder why?
TrueHellDei VM
02-05-2011 11:05 AM
My apologies, I'm in
the middle of moving in into a new place. It makes me quite busy and
I like to take my time while replying to You ^_~ I have too much to
say to be done in moment ^^ So, I'll be sending my response in short
time, maybe even later today. ^.~
How was Your week
anyway ?
Thor VM
02-05-2011 12:31 PM
don't worry then:
take you time and I hope you will like it where you moved/planning to
move
As for my week: it
was good but intellectually lonely.
TrueHellDei PM
02-08-2011, 11:50 AM
Hey ^^ Sorry for
being quite late...
So, first, I really
like Your name ^^ It sounds so noble. I wonder if You’re from
somewhere in Europe? If so, we may not be so far away from each
other.
And thank You that
You think of me as superior to other women ~^^~
It’s true that I’m
quite demanding to myself. Maybe even a perfectionist when it comes
to that...And it’s not entirely good thing...And I don’t feel a
need for attracting everyone, it’s more like I can’t allow myself
for looking really bad.
Indeed, so far Your
words were efficient enough in handling me ^^ So, what else You may
need ? A whip may not be a bad idea, because there may be times when
I’ll deserve a good spanking LOL xD And whether there could be
situations where Your words wouldn't work? I can’t really answer
that, because I’m not sure. I’d say that no - there wont be any
situations where Your words wouldn’t work, but I can’t know that
for sure.
About complications
I’ve mentioned before, it involves the distance too. Now, the most
interesting question - "And I wonder would you at this point
deny that you love me or not?" xD LOL You sure have the guts ;P
Well I can’t deny that I feel some strange affection toward You but
I wouldn’t call it ‚love’(yet) ^_~
So, You really do
wear glasses ^^ somehow I knew it LOL.You say You look kinda like
Che, so You have dark eyes and hair ? And Che was quite
good-looking^^ xD
Now, what I like
about sex. I’d say that about sex I like sex LOL xD Well, it's a
mutual pleasure we share with someone special or someone we like.
Sexual impulses and desires are natural. That's who we are. And
trying to conceal it will turn us into freaks and psychos LOL xD. I
separate sex and love. Sex can go with love, but doesn't have to. I
don't see anything wrong to it. Anyway, I like to make love
passionately. I like to make my partner feel special and cherished by
me. I wanna feel him close to me. Sometimes I like it fast and firmly
and sometimes I like it all sensual like an endless contemplating of
our bodies. I think that the worst thing You can do is to let having
sex become boring...So I’m willing to experiment in that area,
trying out new ideas ;P
As for me being
sentimental, I like nice views ;P I’d gladly see that night sky You
was talking about^^
I like what You said
about invisible wall situation. Just knowing that there is someone
like me makes me feel better too. You’re also asking me what this
badass situation may be. The truth is I can’t describe it in
detail, that’s why I used such term...All I can say that I meant
something unusual, and I guess I’d even put my life on the line to
achieve that.
And I meant
withdrawal from the shell. It was mistake in that sentence of mine
there. I’m sorry for misunderstanding.
About the book. I
wrote all this intentionally. I was hoping I’ll get You to reading
it ;P I still hope so I wont be telling You more about it ;P But I
can answer Your questions if You’d really want me to ^_~
That’s all I had
to tell about myself, now is Your turn ;P So, what you like in women,
what You like in sex, what’s Your favourite book and for what
You’re aiming for in life ?
Also, I’d gladly
continue our philosophical discussion, so I’m awaiting more
questions in that matter ^^
I guess it’s all
from me for today ^_~ till the next time ^^
*hugs*
Thor PM
02-09-2011, 02:26 AM
Hi, I wonder where
were you moving to if it took you so long?
Count Vladimir XVI
the Impaler and you will be Countess consort Emily the Shy or may be
a petty maid Emily for both domestic and sexual services. I am from
Europe but now I life really far from it. And you, I suppose, in.
Poor you: struggling
so hard to be cute; but I appreciate your efforts. And I like that
you like my opinion about you; hmm, we quite often say this phrase to
each other.
So you are willing
to be an obedient good girl for me, and still fall short from calling
it love; give up already and admit it. And I wonder how would you
feel after spanking, so imagine it and tell me?
You approach to sex
sounds good and encourages me to look forward to experiencing it, but
I really wonder whether you can do it as good as you talk about it?
As for me: I also like variety and would appreciate you efforts to
please me and will try to make you feel good as well. I like the idea
closeness and specialness between us and I surely consider sex to be
natural and positive. Hmm, sadly of positively there is not much to
add to what you wrote.
Sad that my camera
can't capture night sky with any degree of viewability, also it
doesn't happen every night. Otherwise I would make a photo of dark
blue sky for you.
We are two solitudes
that semi-met.
About bad-ass
situation: You have secrets from me? Naughty girl. Come on tell me at
least something.
What makes you think
that I haven't read it? Either way I asked about your opinion and
that is something I can't get from just reading a book: from book I
can get my opinion and sometimes author's.
What do I like in
women? You for example. And more generally I like nice, cute, cuddly,
loving and dedicated to me and my will ones. I also like smart and
open minded women who do not think with stereotypes, have ability to
understand things in their complexity and generally are interesting
to talk to. Finally I like self sustainable ones who can take care of
themselves and do not expect/depend on my help and support. Even
though I am sometimes and in some situations helpful and supportive
it is far not always so I wouldn't call myself reliable; I
particularly dislike doing errands and in most cases would not.
Overall I think you meet the criteria.
Hmm, my favorite
book: well I like Captain Blood by Raphael Sabatini because I think
that main protagonist is similar to me and I would do many things
similar way, though I read it quite long time ago so if I would
re-read it now I might be more critical about it. From something more
serious I would choose One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel
Garcia Marques. It is a nice story about one small village and
several generations of its inhabitants and their unusual lives and
how all these strange events and lives were influencing each other
and add up to overall picture of village. A lot of globally
significant events such as civil war happened on the sidelines of the
story but all of them shown rather insignificantly while many small
unnoticeable things are emphasized. In the end while a lot of time
have passed and a lot of things changed nothing of it really mattered
and all is meaningless. Though other people have different opinions
about meaning of the book. Overall I mostly like it for way of story
telling and diversity of characters and events.
As for my goals in
life then so fat I am trying to secure stability and rights, remove
influence of unpleasant actors and establish good control over
everything so when I would achieve all or most of if I would be able
to use it either as good foundation to my future plans or just enjoy
life or most likely both.
You got off track on
philosophical discussion, my comments were last not yours so it could
be only up to you to ask questions; that shows how deeply you fell in
love. But be OK with that and talk about love, I like it.
hmm, I waited so
long and got only such a small message, please write more next time.
In addition to other questions what is some irrelevant topic you
would like to talk about?
Now I will imagine
doing various things to you while you writing reply to this message.
*hug and hold you*
TrueHellDei PM
02-15-2011, 10:41 AM
Hello ^^
I was moving to
another city ;P and it took me quite long because I was busy
rearranging my new room completely ;P Besides I didn’t have the net
at first so that also was the reason for delaying.
Anyway, dear Count
Vladimir XVI the Impaler (LOL that title just made my day xD), I
wonder why I’m Emily the Shy ? ;P (I think I’m not that shy :P)
Besides, stranglely enough I’d prefer to be a maid xD ( I consider
maid’s outfit being very sexy ^^) or how about me being Countess
Emily de TrueHell and You my butler Vladimir ;P ^_~
Yes, I live in
Europe right now, precisely in Poland. It’s quite beautiful country
but full of boring, shallow, unhappy, small-minded people. I’ve
spent most of my life rebelling against that reality.
Now, let me say
something about this sentence of Yours: “ We are two solitudes that
semi-met. “ – It’s so simple, so true, so beautiful, yet so
sad...I wonder if we will be able to fully met each other...
Continuing, about me
not admiting I’m in love with You. I’d say that the situation
looks more or less like this : The ‘You’ I know from the net is
both the real You and not at the same time. Sounds unclear and
complicated but it’s pretty much like this. I can say I have a
crush on the ‘virtual’ presence representing You. It may be the
part of You but not the whole You. Also here’s something I’ve
said about virtual relationships so0me time ago on AC :
"Originally Posted by Light_siLencEr
its just a fairy tale as CElgant said."
‘Indeed it is, but people likes fairy tails. And also like to
idealize things. Something like fascination or attraction can be
easily earned while talking through the net. Especially when You met
someone You can share a great understanding with. And if You don't
have many of people like that in Your real life. It's very easy to
get attached to an internet 'love', since we can decide how this
relationship will be like entirely by ourselves. He/she does not
invade our personal living space, we mostly don't have a chance to
see most of his/her flaws trough the net. There's no need for us make
a compromise for this kind of relationship, there's no need to
sacrifice anything in our daily life for this.
This is very egoistical relation, and a very comfortable one. I'd say
that what people 'love' is not the person on the other side, but this
relation itself.
There's a huge possibility that after You meet this special someone
in person, You'd be dissappointed. And even if not, that wont be the
same anymore, and won't last long.
The truth is that real reationships are more complicated and harder.
But going trough the hardships of life together is something that
binds two people much stonger than any internet relationship.
So I think that the so-called happy end for something like that is
barely possible. But still, not impossible ^_~ Sometimes life can be
suprising ;P ‘
So, sure - I admit –
I like you, I might have a crush on You, but saying that I love You
at this point to You would be lying. When I say that love You, I want
that not to be just an empty but nice word. I wanna really mean it
and wanna say it to You face to face. Taken by excitement, with a
trembling voice and gaze full of tenderness.
I hope You
understand what I’m trying to say ^_~
Anyway, I’m
wondering when did I say I’m willing to be an obedient girl for You
;P I’m rather not an obedient type ;P You may be able to handle me
with no problems but that won’t stop me from rebelling ;P ^_~
Now, how would I
feel after spanking – that depends on spanking ;P And if it would
be You spanking me, then I guess I’d be turned on ;P
As for sex - You
really wonder whether I can do it as good as I talk about it? I’d
say I can do it even better ;P but You wouldn’t know it for sure
untill You experience it Yourself ;P
Now, as for my ‘what
do like in women question’. You answered ‘You, for example’ and
You earned one big kiss from me for that ^^ That was soooo nice ~^^~
And if You can’t
make a photo of that dark night sky for me, all that is left is to
hope to have a chance to see it together with You ^^ and how about
You take a picture of You for me ? ^_~
I like Gabriel
Garcia Marques, but I haven’t read Captain Blood, so right now it’s
number one book for me to read.
As for “The
Idiot”, actually I was wondering if You read the book or not. I can
say that my favourite characters from the book are Prince Myshkin and
Nastasia Filipowna. She is a beautiful and proud woman with some
unhappy past. Prince Myshkin is the first man being able to see
trough all that ‘disguise’ of her. She loves him, but finds
herself unworthy of love someone as pure as Prince Myshkin. So she’s
trying to demonstrate it before him by tainting herself even more.
She’s showing him that she can sell herself like a thing for money.
But, no matter what she’ll do, it’s useless. He knows that it’s
not the real her. He can see right trough it. He can see her real
beauty. He can see her suffering. He’s the man she always longed
for. She’s so overpowered and struck by him that she’s trying
with all her might to deny it’s real. She still finds herself
nothing more than a stain on his noble name. And he’s not the kind
of man that would use force to keep her. Well, he did more than
necessary to convince and keep her. But she still chose to throw
herself into despair. It all leads to the tragic end. I love her
character because she, her feelings and reasoning seemed so real to
me. She was so well portrayed that I could understand her so well.
Same goes for Prince Myshkin. I also really like the book for bunch
of concepts You can find in it. Despite the fact it was written so
long ago, all that author was trying to say trough it can apply to
the world we live in right now. It’s amazing how many words You can
find in there is still actual...
“ I will imagine
doing various things to you while you writing reply to this message.
“ – I’m wondering what were these ‘various things’ ;P Can
You tell me ? ;P
I’m affraid I’ll
leave continuing our philosophical conversation till the next time,
because I was sober while starting my reply to You and now I need to
admit I’m quite drunk...I was a kinda a part of the party
meanwhile...I’m living with my younger sister and her fiance now.
They were celebrating Valntine’s Day and I was somewhat their
guest...That’s how I had a bit too much to drink ;P
Well, I don’t
celebrate Valntine’s Day but I guess I can give You some extra hugs
and kisses because of it ^_~ And I really wish I could give it to You
in reality ;P
I guess imagining
kissing and hugging You with some xxx is all that's left for me right
now ;P ^_~
Thor PM
02-17-2011, 01:24 AM
Hi,
you sure took time
not just for moving but also to take you writing to a new heights in
terms of good ideas.
Are you as confident
in you ability to serve me as you are confident in your sexual
abilities?
Sure I can be your
butler miss Emily, what would you like for... Just kidding. Make me a
tea in a cup half filled with boiled water, add cold water when its
ready to make temperature optimal and bring it on a silver tray. I
will spank and **** you after I finish my tea.
You are not that,
but still shy: for example you only now directly asked me for a photo
and I told you couple of messages before that you want my photo; well
not over-defensive shyness is cute, so you are fine.
Well I never been in
Poland but I like pictures of it.
I also wonder would
we meet or not.
About your love: You
sure were cooling your head long enough.
I would say more:
people generally see not the reality but their idealized image of it.
With religion it is partly due to superstitional nature but with
issues such as ideology, nationality or territory there is nothing
superstitional but people en masse still base their opinions on their
vision of reality therefore you may listen to completely different
stories from opposite sides of the argument/conflict. Same with love:
many people who met in real life and even got married only after some
time realize that his/her lover/spouse way not as good at he/she
originally thought. Because people are very complex, selfish and
diverse chances to find person who would 100% meet your ideal love
are almost negligible; so in a sense all people are either live in
illusion of love to idealized person till got their hearts broken (if
they got to see the flaws), or do not try to see illusion real.
So your quest to
assuring reality of a thing that is an illusion in nature could only
result in either immediate failure or delayed one where you will
convince yourself that I am really your ideal lover just to get your
heart broken by me afterwards. We both are too smart to give away too
much of sensitive information or flaws, so I doubt that IRL meeting
would reveal critical flaws unless it is something looks related. So
do not seek solid confirmation and commitment for eternity, enjoy
love as it is now, do not regret the loss and remember it afterwards
at its best.
I don't want to
break your heart I will try not to, but hearts are too fragile so
sometimes it can't be helped; I would like our relationship to last
and would miss you if we break away but in case of break away I
wouldn't blame anything. Hmm, I hope I didn't broke your heart
already.
I definitely want
you to confess to me the way you described, but Poland/Europe is too
far away.
In the mean time I
would consider you admitted your love to me.
You rebelling would
only give me more excuses to punish you. Would you also deny that you
will do what I tell you because you love me, or how you say it might
have a crush on me? May be you deny it, probably you harsh to others,
but the whole tone of your messages to me gives you away: with me you
are nice little girl and I like you for being so nice and mine.
About sex: all I can
say from what you wrote is that you are confident.
About you: you like
being found better than other women, I would probably like your big
kiss, now come to me I will hug you and caress you head, heck,
shoulders and back.
About photo: Hmm, it
seems you not so much dislike taking photos as you said previously
because you added another one to your album, then it shouldn't be a
problem for you to make some more for me because I want to see things
you described in your messages such as cloth and undercloth and
generally more of you from different angles and positions. You can
use Imageshack or my email thor.thorman@gmail.com
As for mine: here is
one in poor quality, most of them are, looks theatrically evil I hope
you will like it. I wouldn't post it in the Album of the forum for
everyone to see, it is just for you.
About the Idiot: you
description of Prince Myshkin and Nastasia Filipowna relationship
suspiciously matches ours. But if you can love only a man whose love
you wouldn't worth then you are hopeless, perfectly tragic person who
may be even deserve a book of her own. As I said it before you are
nice person and I think you deserve my love, not sure whether I would
give it to you though.
What I imagine doing
to you: put you back against the wall, look down in your eyes and
then kiss your lips, pull your skirt up and panties down, **** you
first from the front and than from the back. Spanking you standing
hands against the wall and over the knees. Making you clean or cook
naked or in maid outfit while I watching. Caressing you chin for a
while before carefully pulling you head closer to me for a kiss. ****
you while you sit or lay on the table. Make you sit under the table
and do me blowjob while I surf Internet or play videogames. Make you
sit on my laps and hug and caress you, then **** in the same
position. Holding you almost horizontally below me and kissing.
Feeding you various food and making lick or suck different objects.
Make you crawl on bed and floor, sometimes with various objects in
your mouth. Also make you try keeping in your mouth while I spank
you. Playing with your hair. Fingering your *****. Hugging and
caressing you before of after ****ing while lying in spoons position.
Just lying on the bed and talking about philosophy and literature. I
guess I will stop on it for now, somewhat incohesive but imagination
do not need cohesiveness. Hmm, I hope all that wouldn't scare you
away though. Now is your turn.
About philosophy, I
wonder whether we will talk about it again because we both seems too
distracted by desire for sex. And do not forget to spank yourself for
drinking too much.
And I still want to
experience you kisses and hugs IRL.
I hope this text
would make you feel better and look forward for your response, please
do not delay it this time.
In the mean time
have a nice life my loving maid Emily.
Vladimir XVI the
Impaler
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/561/dsc00107t.jpg
TrueHellDei VM
02-20-2011 09:42 AM
Hi, I need to
apologize for delaying my responce again...the reason is that I spent
weekend visiting my family and actually don't have the possibility of
writing for such long time that this responce requires...So, don't
think that You scare me away with Your last message ^_~
Thor VM
02-20-2011 07:23 PM
Apology accepted.
Generally I couldn't expect less from your reaction to my last
message, you are special after all. And you don't have to worry but I
like when you do, just not overdo it.
So how are you
generally? I hope you are having fun: if not, I hope this message
will make you feel good and, if yes, feel even better. In the mean
time I will imagine you being happy.
TrueHellDei VM
02-21-2011 03:30 AM
~^^~
Thanks for asking,
I'd say I'm good but quite far from being happy. Well, Your message
made me feel better ^^
And how are You ?
Thor VM
02-21-2011 01:44 PM
Would it make you happier if I would stop you from talking to all
these random people and make you to concentrate on me instead?
How am I: I am
missing my maid.
Thor PM
03-02-2011, 12:05 AM
hmm, it's been a
while; how are you now? May be you are not so not scared after all;
if so you can talk about something more neutral though I would still
like to encourage you to be brave: believe in me and in yourself,
even if I would disagree with you and wouldn't make your dreams come
true, I wouldn't blame or turn you down for sharing your dreams with
me. I care for your... you. *smile*
TrueHellDei PM
03-12-2011, 10:40 AM
Hey, I’m very
sorry for such late responce but it is caused by some serious
complications I suddenly need to face and not because I’m scared.
Honestly. It has nothing to do with what You said to me. I just had a
little surgery and was hospitalized lately and had no net so I
couldn't answer. Plus some more other annoying problems I sitll need
to deal with. I promise that You will get a proper reply to all You
have written to me. It should be finished by tomorrow.
Thor PM
03-14-2011, 08:36 PM
hmm, usage of 'just'
with 'little surgery' and 'hospitalized' supposed to make you look
too brave to be afraid of my message but it's still not convincing
enough for me; through you seem not that much scared of message as
much as of further development of this relationships: emotionally you
are willing to fall in this love and surrender yourself to me but
mentally you are afraid of getting too open to me because it can ruin
image of you in my mind and with that the relationships, perfect
image of me in your mind and you heart.
I wonder would you
deny this as well as your love for me.
I wonder what
happened to you that required surgery to get fixed; anyway I hope
that it is nothing too dangerous for your wellbeing and that you
recovering well. I also hope that you other problems got fixed or if
not I might be able help you with advise or something else.
Tell me how you
feel.
Also: thank you for
existing.
TrueHellDei PM
04-08-2011, 12:09 PM
Hey.
I’m very sorry
for this late reply and that I didn’t sent my message to You the
day I promissed. But that was all due to unpredictable difficulties
I’ve needed to face lately. Honestly, my life was almost turned
upside down. You may now say that I got what I wanted, since I said
I like suprises -
even negative ones. Well, yes, that’s true, however I truly had
some serious crisis, but endured and overcame it. Situation is way
better now.
So, here’s my
very late reply:
First - I didn’t
say I’m so confident in my sexual abilities. I only said that I
like sex ;P
Now, about ‚love’.
I really wonder why You are so fond to this word? Why are You so
persistent in calling it ‚love’? Why can it be called for
example‚crush’ or something like that ? And also - how can You be
so sure what I feel ? We didn’t even truly meet each other yet. I’m
really curious about it, since You seem to be a person who needs a
solid proof before stating something as a fact. So what solid proof
You have for that ? And how can You know that among all possible
feelings and emotions, it’s exactly this one - ‚love’ ? So, in
other words, I’m not trying to „assuring reality of a thing that
is an illusion in nature” as You said. I’m just curious how can
You be so sure of “a thing that is an illusion in nature” ;P
As for “Would You
also deny that you will do what I tell you because you love me, or
how you say it might have a crush on me?” - I wont do what You tell
me ;P lol I do what I want, however I wont deny I would do much more
for You, if’d ask me, than for many other people. Besides, I’m
rebellious in nature, so I just cant turn out into completely
obedient woman ;P I may rebelling You just for fun, simply because I
like to ;P lol
“You like being
found better than other women” - of course I do ^_~ I’m a woman
after all, there must be some vanity in me ;P
Tkanks a lot for the
pics !!! I really apreciate You’ve sent them, especially since it
was just for me ~^^~And, no - I really don’t like taking photoes.
Seriously. That one picture I added was taken by my sister, and all
the rest I’ve added, by my friend. I don’t have any other pics of
me. However, I’ll consider Your request for taking some, despite
the fact it’s something I really dislike ;P but, unfortunately, due
to a certain circumstances, there’s no possibility of me taking
them now...Sorry for that, but I’ll try to take at least a few in
the first occasion I’ll have to do it.
About The Idiot, it
might be that I resemble Nastasia a bit, but surely not overall. She
rejected feelings of someone she knew very well she loved and
desired, just because she considered herself not good enough for him.
She even tainted herself more just to convince him it’s true. Or
more like to convince herself about that. I’m pretty sure I
wouldn’t do such thing. I’m way more egoistic and would want my
desires to be fulfilled.
As for what You
imagine doing to me - imagination surely don’t need cohesiveness
~^^~. And from all You’ve said, there’s one sentence I wouldn’t
agree with - there’s no way for You to stay focused on playing
video games or surfing the net while I’ll be ‘taking care’ of
Your cock ;P
Are You really sure
about wanting me talking about my naughty imagination ?;P It can be
REALLY dirty talking ;P And I’m not sure I should reveal all my
secret thoughts ;P But if You really want me to, I guess I can do it.
^_~
Thor PM
04-09-2011, 12:39 AM
Hi
I am glad to hear
that your situation have improved but I am really interested what
kind of situation caused so much trouble to you.
You said you can do
it even better: what is it if not confidence? But surely there is
nothing wrong in confidence, so you don't have to be so denyious
about it.
May be you didn't
meant to admit you love to me by asking me to let you name your love
differently but you did. Freudian slip gave you away and moved closer
to what you really feel and desire. Sure you can call love or
anything with any world you like, but it would not change the nature
of the thing and love would stay love no matter how you call it. How
I knew it? There were many things in your previous messages that
showed your love, I even pointed out some, so question 'how could I
not noticed it' would be more relevant. Since you coined 'solid prove
of love' then it is up to you to bring convincing example of one
because I think that nature of love makes any solidity, including
solidity of prove, impossible.
Now real question:
why are you so afraid of your love that you are willing to deny it so
fiercely? Why you insist on hiding from me in your shell? Please
don't be afraid to tell me.
Surely I meant that
you will do what I want because it is what you want to do. And, as I
said, your rebellions are fine and even necessary and therefore do
not conflict with your overall obedience. So now we reached common
ground on this question.
Well and I like to
make you feel better.
About photos: you
just shy.
So what is your
persistence in calling yourself selfish and evil is, if not a attempt
to tainted yourself in my and your own eyes?
As I told you, I
wouldn't blame or like you less for your sexual fantasies even if I
wouldn't like or participate in them so you tell me everything and
anything without fear or hesitation.
Well it is sure nice
to hear from you again and I hope you will be happy after reading all
that?
Till next time
Emily.
*hug, kiss and
caress you*
TrueHellDei PM
04-13-2011, 03:10 PM
Hey, I'm sorry I
won't be replying to all You've wrote to me lately now but I'm
leaving to another country. I planned to go in next week but suddenly
I need to go today...It's somewhat unexpected and I'll try to reply
to You as soon as I'll reach my destination and have some spare time.
I'm sorry for making You wait.
Thor PM
04-14-2011, 01:04 AM
Well I guess I just
have to look forward for opportunity to punish you for your constant
lack of time for me.
By the way, tell me
how in retrospective you feel about all your adventures: are you as
satisfied as you claimed you would be before it all happened, you
regret it and prefer things to stay as they were or may be something
average between two, neither or even something completely different?
Thor PM
05-08-2011, 02:11 AM
hmm, its been almost a month, is something happened to you?